I have put together a detailed layout of Trey's rig at:
www.strangedesign.org/rigs
It contains pics, links to purchase, descriptions and more
I have recently been working with Brian Brown (Trey's guitar tech) and Glenn from Hard Truckers to get the inside on Trey's rig. Most everything has been updated so check out how Trey achieves his awesome tone at the Trey's Rig Section of my site. www.strangedesign.org/rigs
It doesn't say anything in the rig section about his compressor that he currently uses, is he using the bicomprosser from analog man?
Quote from: \"ColForbin\"It doesn't say anything in the rig section about his compressor that he currently uses, is he using the bicomprosser from analog man?
Not sure...but I'm on the waiting list for the BiCompROSSer myself....and have been for about a year now. I'm hoping for delivery by this summer, but I'm not crossing my fingers.
He is not using the ross compressor anymore. He did by one from analogman but he isn't using it either. I also had analogman build me one about a year ago. I love it!
No Compressor eh? Mystery solved. Interesting though.
i've always wondered how trey goes about using both of his ts9's...what settings does he set on both? Does he often have both of them engaged when he's rippin solos? Right now I have an analogman silver modded ts9 and I love the sound....I also have a boss DS-1 that I run directly before it, and i'll have both of them engaged when ripping somethin down...i never use the DS-1 besides as a booster with my ts9....i feel like the single ts9 isn't beefy enough for soloing i guess??
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z342/Jon_Weingarden/Treys_Pedals_R_2-1.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z342/Jon_Weingarden/ibanez_ts9-1.jpg)
Money shot. Most people seem to prefer the cleaner TS before the dirtier one (analogous to how you use your DS to boost the TS).
I run 2 Silvers and I enjoy it, some people are preferential to the original TS's from the 80s though.
Aside from those two for a ripping solo, he usually changes amp channels - the Fender Deluxe has a midrange boost on the 2nd channel. I use a Fromel Shape for this.
nice, thanks for that pic...i've never seen that one before....good stuff!
so then, are both of your silvers engaged when you rip solos? obviously you could use different combinations in different situations...Im just curious to how trey and others do it? I've never tried it but I would imagine 2 ts9s engaged at the same time would create a nice sound.
No prob - I think Brad Sarno posted those on TGP (he does great work on equipment, some of which Trey uses), great thread on Trey's tone too btw.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on February 08, 2012, 09:10:31 PM
Money shot. Most people seem to prefer the cleaner TS before the dirtier one (analogous to how you use your DS to boost the TS).
I run 2 Silvers and I enjoy it, some people are preferential to the original TS's from the 80s though.
Aside from those two for a ripping solo, he usually changes amp channels - the Fender Deluxe has a midrange boost on the 2nd channel. I use a Fromel Shape for this.
If you follow the chords in those pics, it looks like he's runnig the dirtier one first, and then the cleaner one. Guitar-->wah-->dirtier TS9-->cleaner TS9.......Or am I crazy?
I know that's what he definitely used to do, regarding the dr, but with his new guitar, I've seen him work the volume knob for solos. Particularly the videos they uploaded to vimeo, you can see him doing that a lot. I don't recall whether he was using both amps or the just the boogie.
Just some observations....either one will "get you there" in terms of cutting thru the mix for solos. Cheers.
Looking at the power supply wires coming from both screamers and the wah, does anyone notice anything interesting about where they end up? It looks as if both screamers and the wah share the same wall wart and are somehow wired together in the small little bunched up cables above the high gain screamer. I spose thats possible as if the adapter is 24 volt or even adjustable between 24/36 etc... Looks as if the power wires are splices together with black shielding wrapped over them.
Just look close and you will see that they all don't go out to different plugs. They are going to the same location. The Ross is clearly being powered solo however.
Maybe it's a 24v that is split to keep things tidy? The Ross would be pretty noisy i'd imagine if it was daisy chained to the TS's.
I wish I could A/B a Pedal Powered double TS and Ross combo vs a wall wart setup and compare the noise levels.
Green you get major points for that observation! Nice. Actually I bet the transformer is a 9 volt. It provides a parallel bus of 9 volts to all those pedals. I've never seen a wah with more than 9 volts and 9 volts makes sense for Trey's settings on the screamers. But that is awesome!
Quote from: Happyorange27 on August 15, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
9 volts and 9 volts makes sense for Trey's settings on the screamers.
I would of thought using the extreme settings as Trey does that maybe a higher voltage would be better. Toning down the distortion a bit allowing for the higher settings. In any case I'm betting there is something to this or nothing at all. Why would he not just a use a Pedal power for all that stuff then.( ie isolated power...)
What would happen if you had a large high voltage transformer sliced to power 3 pedals? You mentioned "parallel bus" but I would have thought that individual supplies would equal less noise. I want to know why one would run those three effects this way. Maybe its the secret to making the screamers sound better at those high settings?
Quote from: raisingfreen on August 15, 2012, 09:01:57 PM
Maybe its the secret to making the screamers sound better at those high settings?
There's only one way to find out! Get out the electrical tape!
Seriously I don't know but maybe there are no ill effects from running this setup. I still run all my stuff off of one big isolated bus and I don't really get noise. This leads me to some thoughts...
I want someone to demo how daisy chaining really adds noise. I'm not saying its no true but if it is true then there should be some measurable test, like with an oscilloscope or something. And I'm sure it gets worse with digital but that's just what I've read.
All my extra noise comes from the Boomerang, it was really bad until I threw the TU-2 after it.. When its not in the chain there is no extra noise even with 5 pedals daisy chained.
Anyone know why Trey is powering both Ts9's and the Wah from one sliced power transformer?
Wouldn't 3 isolated outlets make more sense? There must be some reason for this.
Quote from: raisingfreen on August 16, 2012, 09:59:47 AM
Anyone know why Trey is powering both Ts9's and the Wah from one sliced power transformer?
Wouldn't 3 isolated outlets make more sense? There must be some reason for this.
I know this image (see link below) is from the early 2000s but, as you can see, Trey's all but run out of available outlets on his surge protector. Hence, one spliced three ways instead of three isolated.
http://www.mikepiera.com/phish/pedalboard.jpg
Super reference there Cactus. Nice ISO-1 on the Leslie unit too.
No Repeater?
I'm still not a fan of the Shiva combo. Too shrill
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 02, 2014, 03:32:10 PM
I'm still not a fan of the Shiva combo. Too shrill
Hmm, I didn't think it was shrill. I remember people saying they though the leads were too saturated. I really liked the Shiva at first, but now I prefer the DR or Mesa.
I was at Great Woods last night and I don't think the Mesa was on. I'm not necessarily saying the amp is shrill but, the way it's set with a Languedoc guitar I'm not raving about. Pretty sure it's only the Shiva combo and then the Victoria head coming out the new 2x12 cabs. I'm not sure he even had the Victoria but I did hear some lush tremolo during I think it was Waiting All Night.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/906599_10152109530256290_3383967702658138623_o.jpg)
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 02, 2014, 05:37:12 PM
I was at Great Woods last night and I don't think the Mesa was on. I'm not necessarily saying the amp is shrill but, the way it's set with a Languedoc guitar I'm not raving about. Pretty sure it's only the Shiva combo and then the Victoria head coming out the new 2x12 cabs. I'm not sure he even had the Victoria but I did hear some lush tremolo during I think it was Waiting All Night.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/906599_10152109530256290_3383967702658138623_o.jpg)
Yeah, I haven't followed what he's been using this summer much to be honest. But I think he has been using his single coils more, as far as settings on his Doc.
From what i see in the above image the space that was once filled with 3 alesis reverb units now has one reverb unit or something totally different.
The alesis are definitely not there, no clue what that new item is.
Also, what are the new cabs? Those are entirely different. In 30 years he has only had his languedoc cabs and the Bruno, surprising he has new cabs. Curious what they are.
Quote from: Hoody on July 02, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
The alesis are definitely not there, no clue what that new item is.
Also, what are the new cabs? Those are entirely different. In 30 years he has only had his languedoc cabs and the Bruno, surprising he has new cabs. Curious what they are.
Not too much surprise along with new amps, guitars, and effects ;)
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on July 02, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: Hoody on July 02, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
The alesis are definitely not there, no clue what that new item is.
Also, what are the new cabs? Those are entirely different. In 30 years he has only had his languedoc cabs and the Bruno, surprising he has new cabs. Curious what they are.
Not too much surprise along with new amps, guitars, and effects ;)
Maybe he's tired of his Kang tone. ;)
Quote from: Hoody on July 02, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
The alesis are definitely not there, no clue what that new item is.
Also, what are the new cabs? Those are entirely different. In 30 years he has only had his languedoc cabs and the Bruno, surprising he has new cabs. Curious what they are.
The Microverb is definitely still there. 3rd row down. He just has removed the other Microverb along with the Nanoverb, and in their space is just a filler (aka nothing).
Quote from: Jkendrick on July 02, 2014, 11:11:12 PM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on July 02, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: Hoody on July 02, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
The alesis are definitely not there, no clue what that new item is.
Also, what are the new cabs? Those are entirely different. In 30 years he has only had his languedoc cabs and the Bruno, surprising he has new cabs. Curious what they are.
Not too much surprise along with new amps, guitars, and effects ;)
Maybe he's tired of his Kang tone. ;)
Haha, thats gotta be it... tired of copying others and wants to find himself.
I just heard the Harry Hood from the other night. It sounds to me like he's got a lot of phase going on. Otherwise doesn't sound a ton different to me. It's still very much a "Trey tone."
Eta: listening to Fuego (the song as played on July 1) now and it's definitely a bit different here. I wonder if it's just a different pickup setting.
Quote from: Jkendrick on July 03, 2014, 02:51:05 PM
I just heard the Harry Hood from the other night. It sounds to me like he's got a lot of phase going on. Otherwise doesn't sound a ton different to me. It's still very much a "Trey tone."
Phase as in:
- Speakers / microphones out of phase?
- Did he get a phaser?
- Or maybe his univibe or leslie?
Some shows, he seems to leave modulation in the mix the entire show (I can't think of an example off the top of my head).
Phaser. I'm bad at picking out the difference between phaser and flange, but it sounds similar to my Phase 45.
Quote from: Jkendrick on July 03, 2014, 03:10:18 PM
Phaser. I'm bad at picking out the difference between phaser and flange, but it sounds similar to my Phase 45.
Yeah, a Flanger is kinda between a Phaser and Chorus...
I use a Phase 90 to get close to Trey's modulation. Univibe sounds better, but is more scooped, takes up more space and costs more.
I just don't recall him using it on Hood.
Watching the SPAC stream. Looks like the Boogie is there and on but on standby.
Eta: actually it looked like it was the 3rd switch from the right that wasn't in the up position. That means he's running it at half power correct? Is he blending amps?
I think those cabs are Hard Truckers 2x12's......haha just wanted to start a rumor Trey uses them.
Quote from: tsbot on July 04, 2014, 02:11:35 AMI think those cabs are Hard Truckers 2x12's......haha just wanted to start a rumor Trey uses them.
And he dropped the Tubescreamers and is now stacking a Timmy and a Klon.
Quote from: Jkendrick on July 04, 2014, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: tsbot on July 04, 2014, 02:11:35 AM
I think those cabs are Hard Truckers 2x12's......haha just wanted to start a rumor Trey uses them.
And he dropped the Tubescreamers and is now stacking a Timmy and a Klon.
Shh don't tell them the secret to unlocking narnia..
walker - are you sure that's a microverb in the 3rd row? The microverb has a black face on it, and that box looks like its silver? Or am i looking at the wrong slot? For some reason I seem to be missing the microverb.
Is there anyway those are his same old cabs, just painted black? Almost looks like it.
That's a microverb. Third row down. All by itself.
Was at the 4th of July show, gotta say I was digging the tone. When I saw them last summer it sounded flat and laid back, now he's got a lot more of the bite that he used to have.
As far as the speakers, they look like the Languedoc ones only painted black. I don't know why he would do that but I'm pretty sure they're the same.
Still really glad he's using the older koa Doc, never like the Ocedocs tone
Are you guys sure he's not using the ts9s? They had a lot of shots of his feet and pedal set up and it looked like he still had em.
Of course Trey is using silver modded TS9's, anyone saying otherwise is a troll.
As for the cabs, I'm not sure... they very much could be the same ones painted. I think trey's guitar tone has been EQ'd pretty much the same as last year, just as bitey imo. I noticed the Ross is on his amp stack now and not on the floor.
The microverb is still there, just housed around aluminum so there are no other filler Alesis components in the rack.
Speaking of which, is the photo on this site of his Ts9 settings accurate? That seems like a lot of OD to me. I guess I could try it and see, even though I don't have the exact same pedals.
Eta:
This one
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/babyhyte.jpg)
Don't go by that picture, it's from 2004. I screen capped one from his most recent rig rundown from Jones beach 2012. He goes light TS9 > cranked TS9.... but he has is it so it looks like it's cranked > light... but if you follow the cables you can see it really is light > cranked.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z78/sereantpepper/Tubescreamers2.jpg)
The signal chain is wah (RMC3 stealth) > silvermodded Ts9 light_OD > silvermodded Ts9 cranked_OD > Ross > midi switcher/digcrap
I'm a little confused what the chain might be now, since the Ross is on the amp stack... I'm also not sure whether he is still using the Taiwan made Ross or if he did go back to the USA one that all the phans bought him in 2009.
Cranked level on both?
For the record, I'm not going to copy the settings. I've found the sweet spot I'm after. I'm just curious as both of those pictures have settings that seem extreme to me. Is it something about playing through a PA or some other reason?
The Ross after the stacked TS9's keep the level all squished down. I find this doesn't work well for playing at low levels.
It's not cranked on both, see my post.
I'm just stating, the one that is cranked, the ROSS after both, keeps things pretty even. If volume levels are set with the TS9 with the drive set low, when the cranked is engaged, I bet the volume wouldn't jump much. I don't know for sure, as I don't have a ROSS and stacked TS9's.
His tone on the current tour is def the most drastic from what I'm used to hearing with my ears. Less mid range(or smoother), and the highs have some serious bite. His tone is also much more compressed, but I'm guessing the Shiva might have more to do with that overall.
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 07, 2014, 07:32:12 PM
It's not cranked on both, see my post.
The drive isn't cranked on both but it looks like the level is.
Quote from: Jkendrick on July 07, 2014, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 07, 2014, 07:32:12 PM
It's not cranked on both, see my post.
The drive isn't cranked on both but it looks like the level is.
Right... yea it is there. I think I've seen those knobs lower more recently in 2013 on webcasts. He probably does adjust those for the PA though
I'm listening to some of the last night of SPAC now. I like the cleans and light OD, but the heavier OD is too gritty for me.
And at the risk of being labled a jaded vet, is Trey just awful on this show or what? Not tone - wise, but his playing.
Quote from: Jkendrick on July 07, 2014, 08:53:08 PM
I'm listening to some of the last night of SPAC now. I like the cleans and light OD, but the heavier OD is too gritty for me.
And at the risk of being labled a jaded vet, is Trey just awful on this show or what? Not tone - wise, but his playing.
He seems to be trying out a lot of different things.
He's been using the whammy setting a 2nd down bend (whale call) alot.... however I will say it's done much better than last summer tour. But do check out the Chalkdust from night 1 SPAC.
He doesn't sound rehearsed. He's missing a lot of notes and just sounds off. I know Trey is all about listening and letting "music play the band" but sometimes it just sounds like he's lost and he needs better chops to fall back on. A lot of what I listened to from the last show (admittedly the older tunes they played that night) Trey sounded directionless and was just plain flubbing a lot of notes. I suck and I could've played the Fluffhead jam better than he did. :p
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM
He's been using the whammy setting a 2nd down bend (whale call) alot.... however I will say it's done much better than last summer tour. But do check out the Chalkdust from night 1 SPAC.
Wrong. Its the half octave bend and 1 octave down. You should buy one and see for yourself. Neat little pedals. People almost always over use this effect. If you can get one, and use it one time during a show, I will approve.
Quote from: Poster on July 25, 2014, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM
He's been using the whammy setting a 2nd down bend (whale call) alot.... however I will say it's done much better than last summer tour. But do check out the Chalkdust from night 1 SPAC.
Wrong. Its the half octave bend and 1 octave down. You should buy one and see for yourself. Neat little pedals. People almost always over use this effect. If you can get one, and use it one time during a show, I will approve.
I'm not wrong. I know the settings. I know he uses the octave up and down as well. I have a Whammy DT.
Yeah sorry your whammy DT doesnt even have the same chip in it. Its not the same thing AT ALL. The whammy bar setting is half octave down. If you pre program a wh2 it can hotswap between two settings with one button tap. It has to be reprogrammed every show, so he probably switches from -1 and +1 to 1/2 1 and -1. Confirmed from BB a while ago, reconfirmed at the Portland show earlier in the year with BB at sound check. Cheers!
Who cares about the chip, we are talking about pitch settings.. which I do have. So don't be an asshole... Christ.
Please explain this half octave you speak of. Is that 6 semitones? If so, are sure you are describing this properly. My WH2 doesn't have a half octave. It does have a 2nd down however (2 semitones=1 full step). Thanks.
Answered your own question. The harmony side - use the force. I can and will be harsh on anybody with a whammy. It is a catalyst that pushes every guitarist into playing like a fool. If your running it inline, your not using it properly, if your wet dry ratio is off, your pissing into your own ears, if you use it too much, in your 3/4/5 piece band, you've likely already lost time, hit a loud stupid brittle note on accident, lost tracking, or washed the mix out with your synthesc foolishness. If you want to synth, there are many new, improved means to do so. If you want a +1 octave there are far better, and dare I say more jimi... Keeping those thoughts in mind, if you mark, and remember each step, work with it in a loop with your rig (at show volume, and with drummer practice volume) tirelessly, you may have something cool to live sample, during the bend, for a heatbeat, or perhaps run through 4 - 8 bars of some quick sub octave half wah cocked filtering etc... But the point is, why after spending all time are you not writing music? Maybe coming up with some little riffs to fill that gap? Are you trying to recreate what the producers of the story of the ghost mixed into those songs? Do you want to be both Tom Morello and Trey at the same time, like some weird vegas performer with waxed facial hair? What do you want to sound like? You should care what other people think. Its those people who will support your music, your playing, your voice. Fucking start bitching because I reminded that kid that he doesnt even have the same fucking pedal, just oh you know 17 years apart in design... Its not funny. Some of you more cunty rich kids will keep buying shit and not playing until your dead. More than happy to try to help. Being conscious of your tone is more than just having it sound good when everything is perfect. amp 3 1/2, pedals 4 6 2, in this order, this guitar, while i stand on this spot. Nope that doesnt work. In reality everytime you play in a different space you need to be able to think on the fly, understanding what everything does, in nearly every configuration. SOUND LIKE IT WOULD TAKE ALOT OF TIME AND EFFORT? Yup, your spot on. SOUND LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULDNT FIND INTERESTING? Go play the drums.
Doesnt anybody want to know how you can adjust your amp for a smaller room? Its not by turning down the motherfucking volume knob? How to choose a cabinet for a room. Perhaps combining, swapping amps for a lineup?
Quote from: Happyorange27 on July 26, 2014, 09:59:54 AM
Please explain this half octave you speak of. Is that 6 semitones? If so, are sure you are describing this properly. My WH2 doesn't have a half octave. It does have a 2nd down however (2 semitones=1 full step). Thanks.
The 2nd down is the "whale call." I think I made a youtube of the Funk Siren too, which I use the +1 octave setting. Down_with_Sco are you referring to something like the funk section of Free? When I had a WH-2 (later the V) I used that with a Proton and got some great bubble bass. Fun sound. Try a molten voltage switch, adds WH-2 footswitchable settings to the DT and V.
Quote from: Poster on July 25, 2014, 11:12:13 PM
Confirmed from BB a while ago, reconfirmed at the Portland show earlier in the year with BB at sound check. Cheers!
They played in Portland this year?
Here, I quoted myself so people can see what I really said. Kay?
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM
He's been using the whammy setting, a 2nd down bend (whale call) alot.... however I will say it's done much better than last summer tour. But do check out the Chalkdust from night 1 SPAC.
Also what is Poster talking about? I'm not being a cunt.... for some reason he can't properly read a post on a message board.
edit it again - i didnt call you a cunt, i said cunty people - your pretty sensitive sally?
Quote from: Buffered on July 26, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: Poster on July 25, 2014, 11:12:13 PM
Confirmed from BB a while ago, reconfirmed at the Portland show earlier in the year with BB at sound check. Cheers!
They played in Portland this year?
Maybe it was late last year, let my check my pamprin receipts. I also go to lots of shows, play lots, so things tend to blur. All i know for sure is Tycho is thursday. :D I dont really listen to trey solo anymore, I didnt stay for the whole show. It was the last Crystal show. Hell it could have even been last summer! Shit Im getting fucking old.
So Im super stoked that Sco is just nailing the tones on that Whammy. Great job gang! Keep it up. The videos are cool! - Not even trying to be a smartass, but Ill still read like a smartass. Smartass
Quote from: Poster on July 26, 2014, 12:29:21 PM
Answered your own question. The harmony side - use the force. I can and will be harsh on anybody with a whammy. It is a catalyst that pushes every guitarist into playing like a fool. If your running it inline, your not using it properly, if your wet dry ratio is off, your pissing into your own ears, if you use it too much, in your 3/4/5 piece band, you've likely already lost time, hit a loud stupid brittle note on accident, lost tracking, or washed the mix out with your synthesc foolishness. If you want to synth, there are many new, improved means to do so. If you want a +1 octave there are far better, and dare I say more jimi... Keeping those thoughts in mind, if you mark, and remember each step, work with it in a loop with your rig (at show volume, and with drummer practice volume) tirelessly, you may have something cool to live sample, during the bend, for a heatbeat, or perhaps run through 4 - 8 bars of some quick sub octave half wah cocked filtering etc... But the point is, why after spending all time are you not writing music? Maybe coming up with some little riffs to fill that gap? Are you trying to recreate what the producers of the story of the ghost mixed into those songs? Do you want to be both Tom Morello and Trey at the same time, like some weird vegas performer with waxed facial hair? What do you want to sound like? You should care what other people think. Its those people who will support your music, your playing, your voice. Fucking start bitching because I reminded that kid that he doesnt even have the same fucking pedal, just oh you know 17 years apart in design... Its not funny. Some of you more cunty rich kids will keep buying shit and not playing until your dead. More than happy to try to help. Being conscious of your tone is more than just having it sound good when everything is perfect. amp 3 1/2, pedals 4 6 2, in this order, this guitar, while i stand on this spot. Nope that doesnt work. In reality everytime you play in a different space you need to be able to think on the fly, understanding what everything does, in nearly every configuration. SOUND LIKE IT WOULD TAKE ALOT OF TIME AND EFFORT? Yup, your spot on. SOUND LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULDNT FIND INTERESTING? Go play the drums.
Reread, and still like it. Dont see how SCO is all butt hurt? Do you have a languedoc? Are you a cunt? I mentioned cunty rich kids right after mentioning your pedal, apologies. But I do not think SCO is a cunt for the record. Somebody write that down
Its like when red used a red tone tubby, because Glen gave him a cab loaded with the most expensive Kimock designed tone tubbies he could get out of respect. AND EVERYBODY THAT COULD WENT OUT AND BOUGHT THEM. Even though he only used that cab like 5 times ever, its sits in the corner of the NY space... Lets all just band together and write a fucking musical about how ridiculous this conversation really is!
^ myself included. Same with CAE stuff. Same with the amp mods. Etc etc etc, so on and so forth.
I am totally nailing those whammy tones. Not that difficult to do.
Also way to be a douche.... like damn. That was unnecessary.
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on July 26, 2014, 02:15:57 PM
I am totally nailing those whammy tones. Not that difficult to do.
Also way to be a douche.... like damn. That was unnecessary.
Did I not apologize enough for you? Im sorry SCO. You can take it or leave it, but my intent was for the betterment of the greater whole. And you are not nailing the 1 down. But to each his own. Your tone journey is going to be a rough one if you cant admit your wrong as a burnt turd on the porch. How many distortion pedals have you tried? 20? 100? Have much gear have you worked with? Do you tour? Have you had to contend with a backline? I mean god damnit, if you cant see Im trying to help people who want to get to another level, than just go suck your thumb. Still not mad at you, but read between the fucking lines. It would be great if one of the kids with some funnies would chime in. But who cares. Looks like you have amassed quite a bit of gear there SCO. Cool man, I hope that all is working for your tone. But you completely overlook the commentary and just focus on you being super sensitive butt hurt about me saying you dont have the right WH. Its ok. But kinda douchey?
You do realize that you're arguing over chip types whose subtle differences would be tough to hear at band levels live and impossible for an audience to tell the difference..
No actually the original wh and wh2 distort in a unique way, different from each other and very noticeable. I continued to talk about the whammy as an effect in general
Quote from: Poster on July 26, 2014, 09:00:55 PM
No actually the original wh and wh2 distort in a unique way, different from each other and very noticeable. I continued to talk about the whammy as an effect in general
I understand what you're saying, but I feel that the "classic" setting on the WH-5 gets in a similar ballpark. There's also the input gain knob on the WH-2 that contributes to the tracking/distortion you speak of.
its not really the input pot. ive had three of them so far. first was minty. second and third were beaten to shit and had to be rebuilt by digitech repair center nerds... from what I have been told, the WH2 had a unique chip just to that model, i believe made by BBE? (would have to look it up), and thats whats clipping. Not the input pot. Sure you can crank that input and make it crackle, but from what Brian told me via email, in person, what my trials, what the Digitech repair dork told me the first repair, and my own experiments proved, was NO other WH pedal can do that overdrived chip sound. Pretty simple how I know for sure, I brought my old tye dyed deluxe reverb to a TN guitar center at 10am, plugged in every new whammy with my grey ross and TS9 to see what the fucking deal was. (And yeah, I thought I was getting close too, back when I had my very first whammy a WH4.) Sure you can do the bends ok, the harmonies are close, and the +1 setting sound the same, but only by itself... (to clarify, I was using a WH1, WH2, WH4, and a WH5 with a 5 channel true bypass looper I had.) If you hit those other WH's with a hot compressed signal it wont breakup the same way. You dont have to be a tone junky to tell the difference. To my ears it was alot like different voiced distortion pedals. They were very different. So alas, I had to stop thinking about the shiny red ones with a true bypass mod (to my brain seemed like a better plan than using a buffered looper), and just learn how to use the good old ugly WH2's along with all their faults. Also dont forget Red likes to tap on the wah pedal and leave it half up, full depressed, and backed up to get different tones... So really to nail it you need a tuneable wah wah, a grey ross, a silver ts9, and of course, a small hollowbody guitar.
A couple mods that can be done pretty simply
1. Metal Jacks. Those plastic jacks are pieces of shit. Dont fucking kid yourself, they can fail even down on a board, velcro'd, retained, happy. Fucking plastic.
2. The bypass switch can be swapped from one that a little more rugged, with a rubber gasket around itself. You can get them from that giant electronics repair part place, goliath or titan? something like that, if anybody cares I can call the place working on my WH2 to find out. Im sure the part cost around 25 dollars.
If that sounds crazy you do not want to know about my amp hunts, or ts9 grazing, modulation humping, or guitar flipping. Pretty famous for buying shit, realizing its not the right stuff, and dumping it like a corpse into the ocean.