My oringinal post here is deleted. im done dealing with this and think it's time that all of us, including myself, grow up. I would not have posted this if i knew these problems would arise...
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meh Id argue my AO is superior. enjoy your doc
ok Poster, i'm not arguing with you man. I agree you have a fine guitar, we are all happy.
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Deadbear you should've bought one of these and still had plenty of money left in your "saving for an AO" jar. I love my phiga.
http://www.philgawen.com/phigaguitars.htm
Quote from: picture_of_nectar on September 30, 2010, 03:21:13 PM
after playing the real thing I cannot recommend buying a copy of any sort. save your money and try to get on Pauls list.
I've had Equators, and although they are attractive to look at, they need a lot of work from a good Luthier be made into something playable.
Word to the wise...
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when did you get this guitar? Is it one of his newer batches? I asked for my money back on the one i just purchased. You guys have me freaking out here...that is the last thing i would want to happen after paying that much money!!!!
Quote from: Armenian Man on October 05, 2010, 10:58:34 AM
when did you get this guitar? Is it one of his newer batches? I asked for my money back on the one i just purchased. You guys have me freaking out here...that is the last thing i would want to happen after paying that much money!!!!
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Hey deadbearbobby, can you post a picture to the guitar you are talking about?
The reason I asked is that the only Koa Mini with a Maple back on Davids website is currently owned by ME.
And there are no buckle scratches on the back. Oh and of course the bridge would come off when you took the strings off, it is a floating Archtop bridge...duh.
Quote from: deadbearbobby on October 05, 2010, 07:23:01 PM
He's got the guitar back... that was how i got my money back, he counted it as a "return due to quallity issues" ... also, the bridge should be glued down on an archtop... all my ibanez's have the bridge glued down... maybe ibanez is the one that does it weird... :P
Got a pic? I'm really curious about this.
I'm the only one who's owned a Koa Mini with a maple back and I watched it being built through the process including choosing the headstock inlay, the stain color, so I am pretty sure it wasn't someone elses returned guitar.
And if you glued down the bridge you wouldn't be able to adjust the intonation...fwiw.
Quote from: deadbearbobby on October 05, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
I never took any... i should have, but i was focused on the issues and trying to get my money back verse taking pictures of bonfire wood.
All his builds are on the web site, do you see it there?
can you clean out your PM box.
RE the Ibaneze bridge, it is a different kind of bridge where each string is adjustable. On the Equator (and Languedoc) the bridge floats and you move the whole thing backwrd or forward to adjust the intonation.
yep...all set, pm box clear... thanks for the info :) ... i thought they were all supposed to be glued... ok so that was my misunderstanding...
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fwiw, I think you should give him a chance to defend himself. Lots of very harsh words spoken here in this thread, yet the reciever of the critisicm is immediately banned and comments deleted. Is that how things work around here?
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I am going to defend David here for a second, and please don't ban me for it.
First of all, I agree he shouldn't post your personal information here. But you could have just deleted your email address (since you have all the control/power here), rather then deleting his reply to deadbearbobby and banning him.
There have been some serious accusations and harsh words posted here. Yet you prevent the man from defending himself. That's just fucked up. I know you like to think this is your website to do with what you please, but IMHO it belongs to all of the contributors. Does Scott agree with you preventing David from responding? Just curious.
meh. iam not getting in a flame war with the resident troll or the industry scammer.
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Well well well....where to begin?
First off, let's not go banning people Poster; at least people who don't necssarily deserve it. Leave that to the Scott - it's his site afterall. He made you and I admin's on the account that we'd do good by this site, not control it as we see fit. Don't abuse that, please. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't give you the power to ban him.
I understand your situation w/ Equator, and you have every right to feel the way you do and share your experiences about it, but so does everyone else, and I agree w/ PON that by banning David without giving him a chance to defend himself is kinda fucked up, and doesn't lend credibility to your argument. I for one would love to hear what he has to say. I saw your guitar Poster, and without having played it or held it I have to agree with you - it was cartoonish at best and (at least from the pics) looked like a p.o.s. Whatever though...it seems the quality has gotten much better since then (read: I am in no way endorsing Equator) and if someone has a guitar by them and his happy, well...to each his own. If someone is thinking about buying one, hell yeah folks who have knowledge of Equator should speak up, for better or worse.
I'll end with this: let's keep it on the level folks. Freedom of speech is something that will continue in this forum - it's one of the best parts about it - however there does come a time where it crosses the line, and Poster, I'd like to see you stay away from that line while still making your points.
I only dish out a ban when a user posts personal information without permission. Kinda a standard action on all forums.
fine whatever, I don't wanna be involved with this. I have nothing to do with any of the shit posted in this thread so leave me out of it.
I just think David should be allowed to address the accusations made against him here.
Peace
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Quote from: posternutbag on October 06, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
I only dish out a ban when a user posts personal information without permission. Kinda a standard action on all forums.
Welp...kinda hard to argue with you there. I didn't see the post so forgive me - what did he post....and why? What was the purpose?
EDIT: and really? You're smiting me for what I said? Lame...yes, you are correct.
Quote from: posternutbag on October 06, 2010, 04:18:13 PMSorry if that bothers you PON, but if you had a similar experience to mine, YOU WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING, or you would just turn it into an ashtray because your so rich you dont give a shit about your mommies money.
dude you need to chill out, I haven't attacked you in this situation. Please don't assume or pretend to know anything about how I afford my guitars. Uncalled for...
I'm having trouble following this...
so the equator guy made an account? no way, i wouldn't mind hearing what he has to say.
poster, you deleted the posts? if he displayed personal info, cant you just delete that info, and keep the meat of the post intact? deleting the whole post just makes people more curious to hear what he said, and to see why you deleted it.
walker, how did you see who smited you? is that because you're an admin? i want to see who smited me so i might confront them on the field of battle.
I emailed you Benny, its on your fbook page.
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I think i started all of this by emailing david to request my money back, and he asked why? so i told him why. Not only was it these comments that i have been hearing, but also my experience with how long things are taking etc. In his defense though, he has really jumped at this opportunity to make himself a better guitar maker, understanding my concerns and lastly trying to defend himself here. Poster, i do agree with you that posting personal information is unnecsary and uncalled for, but i really do think we need to get to the root of this thing here and now. When i found this site recently, i was incredibly excited about it. I read all of your posts, and many others and i have learned a great deal in the process, especially from you poster. But as time has gone on, i see there are a lot of egos involved here, with preferences and so on. it makes it fun to read, a little dramatic at times, but really i think we all need to remember how similiar we all really are. I live in the bay area of california, i studied at berkley school of music, i have played with steve kimock, jerry garcia band, the thugz ( a grateful dead cover band who rocks in case you haven't heard of them) and plenty of other incredible muscians here in my area. Its a community that we live in here. Just the other night i was playing at a club here in sebastopol, ca and billy kreutzman happened to be eating dinner there. After an hour of listening to us, we played an old zero tune, and billy chimed in "great song" We then realized it was him, invited him to sit in, and then played a rockin set with him. He had just finished a 16 hour rehersal with mickey hart. Anyways, we drank beers stayed up til 3 morning, told stories and enjoyed the california stars. We talked about music for a while, and talked about roots. "we all have our roots" he said. "Its what we have to grow our tree, no tree being better than the other" These words struck a chord with me. There a facets of all music that i enjoy, tones from all guitarists that enjoy and so on. Lets remember that we are involved in an incredible thing together. We all play music and have a lot to learn from everyone... Whether it be a lick or a pedal, or a guitar. All of which will eventually grow into our own tree. David is just another one of us, striving to do better work, make better guitars, and probably learn from this forumn and every one else. We all have lots to learn, and the second we stop learning, we stop growing. I hope this wasn't too cheasy for you guys, but music is way to connect with the ethers.....lets not forget it.....also music is an offering of peace, a community that we should all feel comfortable in. The best guitarist in my opinion are the most humble, shy, and so on. Hendrix said it the best, Sometimes you want to give up the guitar, you'll hate the guitar. But if you stick with it, you're gonna be rewarded
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Okay I just emailed David about removing my Phone Number ! Work history, email address and email from his website. Talk about below the belt. I hope he takes it down, I would hate to have get my lawyer involved, as he could keep all the other junk without sharing my phone number/email/personal info.
Quote from: posternutbag on October 06, 2010, 05:25:19 PM
Then he calls me posternutfag
The guy shows at least some creativity
Quote from: Armenian Man on October 06, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
Just the other night i was playing at a club here in sebastopol, ca and billy kreutzman happened to be eating dinner there. After an hour of listening to us, we played an old zero tune, and billy chimed in "great song" We then realized it was him, invited him to sit in, and then played a rockin set with him. He had just finished a 16 hour rehersal with mickey hart. Anyways, we drank beers stayed up til 3 morning, told stories and enjoyed the california stars. We talked about music for a while, and talked about roots. "we all have our roots" he said. "Its what we have to grow our tree, no tree being better than the other" These words struck a chord with me.
That is fuckn awesome!
Armenian Man. Nice way to mellow out the atmosphere. I enjoyed your words immensley. Your west coast, laid back attitude a fresh breath of air. Rock on dude.
I agree Armenian Man, great story. Not only a great story, but a great lesson, indeed. Sometimes we tend to take for granted what we're all doing on this earth, and I love little reminders about what's really important.
Patrick - I do not know who smited me, but I can guess. Unfortuantely if there is a way to find out, I am unaware of it. And to be honest, in the end it really doesn't matter, though I do take it a little personally because I try hard to be on the level with regards to my words on this site. I take time to carefully read through what I'm about to say rather than just posting what's on my mind. I try to be diplomatic; "think before you speak" sort of thing. So yeah, when I saw that I was smited twice, I took note, and I'm assuming it was a knee jerk reaction of whoever it was. Whatever, doesn't matter anyways. There aare much more important things in this world that deserve my concern. ;D
And PON, on behalf of this site I'd like to apologize and completely agree with you that that sort of thing isn't called for, and quite frankly won't be tolerated on this site. Freedom of speach is one thing, but civality is equally important. As I've said, Poster has every right to talk about his experiences and give advice when it comes to Equator or any other company - many times when he does it's good advice and many can benefit from it - but posting personal info (ala Davd) or taking low blows at someone (ala Poster) cannot and will not be tolerated. It'll ruin this board and there ain't no way that's gonna happen.
I'd like to say a quick note to David from Equator, assuming he's still checking this site: word is you've sent around emails threatening to sue...? Ha! Sue for what, I ask you? Giving an opinion? If you're pissed someone said something negative about your guitars, that's the wrong road to take man. But I'd like you re-register here because I'd love to hear your take. I think we ALL would, actually. After all, I think it's only fair.
Well said Walker..
thanks walker, I totally agree with you. Also, no idea who smited you.
Actually it was poster who threatened to get lawyers involved. Pretty rediculous.
It's just a shame that personal agendas and angers prevent us from having a reasonable discussion about all this like a group of freakin adults. Based on the way these guys view and speak to eachother I just don't thinkthats gunna happen.
Quote from: Walker done done on October 07, 2010, 10:58:59 AM
I'd like to say a quick note to David from Equator, assuming he's still checking this site: word is you've sent around emails threatening to sue...? Ha! Sue for what, I ask you? Giving an opinion? If you're pissed someone said something negative about your guitars, that's the wrong road to take man. But I'd like you re-register here because I'd love to hear your take. I think we ALL would, actually. After all, I think it's only fair.
Yeah I think David should get on here too. There are two sides to every story and if anyone wants to talk smack, at least do it to him directly and be a man about it right? I'm not judging one way or the other. I just want to hear both sides.
Quote from: picture_of_nectar on October 07, 2010, 11:29:18 AM
Actually it was poster who threatened to get lawyers involved. Pretty rediculous.
Actually, it was David who sent emails to 2 people threatening to sue, but obviously you weren't privy to that so you wouldn't have known. Poster only said it publicly. Either way, it's silly as there's nothing to sue for or over.
Whatever I guess. I saw Posters threat to sue David for posting his email address here.
I got involved with this because it sounded like deadbearbobby was describing my guitar. And according to David I have the only Koa/Maple mini he's ever built....and he can't figure out who this deadbearbobby guy is.
So I don't know what the real story behind that is. All I know is I had a smooth transaction the whole way with David. He was quick to answer all my questions. He was willing to do custom abalone logo work and use the color stain I wanted for the back. The price was exactly as I was quoted, it arrived in a much nicer case then previous Equators at no extra cost (nice surprise), and the guitar didn't have any quality issues. The only thing my setup/electronics guy (who knows his shit) could find was the nut needed a little tweaking.
So that's my experience. Quite different then what deadbearbobby posted.
Could we, please, collectively figure out how not to repeat a thread like this, ever?
Perhaps we should have a policy where we do not talk about our actual business transactions with certain builders, etc. Just review the thing. Of course, anything and everything can still be said about Bradshaw, as long as it remains wild speculation, as it always has been.
That's the polcy at The Gear Page.
I know.
Greetings, Strange Design members:
This is David from Equator Instruments, responding from a different account, because I am still banned and silenced on my original account, "equatorinstruments".
I am not going to spend a lot energy right now, because I am simply exhausted from dealing with all of this.
1. For any of you who would like to read a detailed response to this, please just email me at: information@equatorinstruments.com and I will send you a link that I have set up, responding to this in detail.
2. I have 2 problems with this post. The first is that "deadbearbobby" seems to have mentioned a guitar that does not exist. I, and others, have asked him to reveal himself and/or the guitar. As far as I have seen, this has not happened. I simply ask, "what is your name, "deadbearbobby""? I'd like to know who you are, because ALL of what you wrote is NEWS to me. WHO ARE YOU? The second problem is that the original response (which I have copied on my link) by "posternutbag" was also riddled with LIES. First off, he DID receive a refund (although not timely) for the alleged repairs done to his guitar...I have posted my paypal receipt in my beforementioned link, proving this. I address other comments as well...again, all in my link. Just email me.
3. Some have brought up my mentioning suing Strange Design. After being banned by posternutbag and my original responses to this matter deleted, I emailed Scott in anger. I mentioned that it was totally unjust to prevent me from PROVING that LIES have been written about me on this board; I than went on to mention that in a similar situation "The Gear Page" encountered various problems when a builder accused the page of allowing SLANDEROUS statements to be written. I feel the same, for as of right now "deadbearbobby" still has not come forward with his name.....and posternutbag wrote lies about me, which he has now deleted. The first to mention the word "lawyer" was "posternutbag".....these emails and my detailed response are also in my link...again, just email me for it.
I'll leave it at that for now. Again, anyone who would like to see my detailed response, with emails/paypal receipts and photos to back up my statements, please email me and I will pass you this link.
On a side note, it was mentioned that it was a low-blow to post personal info. about a member. I can accept that this may not abide by the rules of the board, and I am sorry for breaking those rules. But, when it comes down to it, if someone is going to personally attack me and my work, have the guts to put your name behind it and be prepared to back up your statements. I know that at least one other member has asked "deadbearbobby" to reveal his name, via a PM....he did not do so.
Thanks very much for your attention.
Sincerely,
David Coleman
Equator Instruments
information@equatorinstruments.com
Sweet David. I'm actually very glad you are here dude. I'm sure you've been painted in a bad light unfairly. At least you are here to defend yourself which is only fair. I welcome you.
FYI you and I have emailed each other about a year or so ago. You were always very friendly and helpful.