And if so, to what?
I have a PRS 1989 Custom 24 "10" top that I bought new in early 1989. For 25 years it has remained virtually unchanged. But I find myself rarely moving off the Gibson-sounding humbucker to any of the other four selectors. Should I consider switching to PAFs or some other pickups that would, perhaps, give me more of that sound I prefer?
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I should have noted that I currently have the PRS Standards in there now.
Well you could either mess with pups you have or get new ones, and potentially mess with those? You could have them unpotted, ie melting the wax out of them? Otherwise, there are some pretty great pickups out there if you look. People would argue with me, but what matters most is the neck pickup. A bridge pickup is just a bridge humbucker, depending on output. Perhaps try swapping just the neck out for something cool like a Gibson 57 4 conductor. Those tapped are very usable in a solid body guitar like yours. PRS neck pickups have not been my favorite, great guitars though. Ive had a custom 22, and hollowbody I with dragon 2's in it.
I was looking at the Lindy Fralin Pure PAF but it says it is not recommended for coil tap. Any other suggestions?
I'm going to continue to experiment with PUP height but the more I read, the more it seems the PRS Standard is not for me and may be a root source of some of my tone issues.
I'm in agreement with Poster as far as the importance of neck pickup usability, but I would stick with the originals. Are you considering, or do you think you will consider selling it down the line? IIRC The 88 PRS's are pretty early and sought-after making them worth a good amount. Originality of the pickups has a lot to do with that I believe, and if I was going to swap I'd start with the neck only and make sure the mod could be reversed. Pickups 99% of the time are reversible unless you plan on drilling any holes for additional switches/routing etc. I could be wrong but that's what I think. The 57's are nice, it's dark in my ES339 but they're very different guitars from a PRS and it's a nice, affordable PAF sound.
Yeah definitely keep the original pickups safe somewhere. Sometimes on other pickups, you can adjust the poles, but Ive found that PRS pups just arent my thing. Too modern of an eq to my plebeian ears.
Oh I'd definitely keep the original. I was only thinking about swapping out the neck PUP. I'm well aware of the demand for this guitar. I was lucky enough to make some good money gigging with my band in HS and that's when I bought it. It was only $1700 then. It may be my best investment ever. :P A lot of my preferences have changed since, but I could just never part with it. And I wouldn't go for any PUPs that required any modifications to the body. "Too modern of an eq" is a good way to put it.
I'm thinking about trying out some Seymour Duncans. I think I have it narrowed down to either the 59s or the Seth Lovers. Anyone have any opinions/experience with these? Any others I should include in my short list (any brand)?
Never used Seth Lovers, but I like 59's. Languedoc has used those for many years and they seem to be the standard for a lot of builders (I know Artinger also uses them). Some people go with a 59 in the neck and a JB in the bridge (some people find the bridge 59 not hot enough compared to the neck). The 59 is a clone of the Schaller Golden 50 and they sound very similar to me (I had both at the same time). I ended up with Lollar Imperials which also sound very similar to my ear, but are slightly more balanced between neck and bridge, and humbucker and single-coil (not sure if its worth the price).
Okay, that makes sense I guess. I never knew the 59s were clones of the Schaller. I just listened to some samples of a lot of PUPs that are said to be good fits for what I'm looking for. One of my issues is that, since I spend the majority of my time in the neck position, I set up my rig in that position. And it sounds good, particularly clean, in that position. But the other four positions sound downright awful. I'm hoping something a little warmer and more balanced will help make the other positions more usable.
Is it common for people to buy multiple sets and try them out and return the ones they don't like? It'd be downright impossible for me to find a late '80s PRS Custom with these different PUP configurations to try. The Lollars are twice the price, so I think I would try the SDs first to see if I'm satisfied.
I don't think you can return them after testing them, since testing them requires soldering them.
Also, if you need someone to install them for you, this would get expensive.
I'd suggest also contacting SD as another resource - they are good at describing their pickups.
Artinger is using the Electric City RD-59's. There are a few demos on YouTube of them - they sound sweet in my Artinger! Of course ymmv.
Quote from: tsbot on March 31, 2014, 06:09:10 PM
Artinger is using the Electric City RD-59's. There are a few demos on YouTube of them - they sound sweet in my Artinger! Of course ymmv.
Hmm, his site says SD 59's and thats what were in mine (albeit mines from 2002).
Yea we (Matt and I) talked about it during my build that was finished this Jan 2014 - when I asked for SD's to cope treys tone he said he's loving the Electric Cities and has been using those for a majority of his builds - so I said to use what he thinks is best for my end use and he put those in...
The JB gets distorts from pick attack pretty easy but once you get used to it the pickup is great for fusiony/D Style smooth lead tones. It's EQ is pretty balanced but the high end is never ice picky.. The Jazz is almost "too polite" for a rock rhythm tone but I don't play that and it sounds fantastic clean and split.
Relevant question:
What's the difference between series/parallel and split coil? My new PRS-ish guitar has 'split coil' wiring on push/pull pots, is this any different than series/parallel like on the 'Docs?
Quote from: No Nice Guy on April 01, 2014, 03:21:05 PM
Relevant question:
What's the difference between series/parallel and split coil? My new PRS-ish guitar has 'split coil' wiring on push/pull pots, is this any different than series/parallel like on the 'Docs?
I've explained it in detail in other threads - I'll try to do a 'quick n dirty' explanation here. Hopefully I can make it clear and concise.
A humbucker has two coils. They are wired in series, somewhat analogous to how you normally wire pedals on your board: one pedal plugs into the next pedal. This is series, because they are in a series with each other.
Since a humbucker has two coils, you have the option of only using on coil, or a single coil. This has many names: coil-tap, split-coil, etc. This is similar to a single coil on a strat.
Parallel, like series, uses both coils from a humbucker. However, rather than wiring one coil into the other, they are next to, or parallel to, each other. Think of the comparison between series and parallel as analogous to Christmas lights. Older Christmas lights were in series and if one bulb burned out, they all turned off because the electricity could no longer flow through (just like one failed pedal in a series pedalboard can potentially completely kill your signal). Newer Christmas lights are parallel, so each bulb has its own separate link to electricity and if one bulb goes out, the others can stay on.
Languedoc guitars have a switch to turn normal, series humbuckers into single (or split) coils.
Languedoc guitars have a series switch as well, but it puts both humbuckers in series with each other, kinda turning the 4 (2 from each humbucker) coils into one big humbucker.
If you use the series switch with the single-coil switch, then you have one coil from each humbucker in series, kinda functioning like a normal humbucker but with the coils widely spaced from each other. To me, this kinda sounds like a Tele.
Languedoc guitars do not have a parallel option. I had my tech use a 3-way rather than 2-way toggle so he could add a parallel option along with the single-coil option. Parallel is quieter than a single, doesn't have the shimmery/glassy top-end and thus doesn't sound as good in most people's opinion, but it doesn't have as much 60hz hum as a single coil either. Its a nice option to have, but I rarely use it. [You can imagine mixing this with the series switch: two sets of two parallel single coils in series with each other - brain-twister!]
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on March 31, 2014, 02:36:21 PM
I'd suggest also contacting SD as another resource - they are good at describing their pickups.
I couldn't find much info through SD. I tried Sweetwater who just sent me a form letter sales email. Does anyone know a good dealer that would be able to answer some questions for me without just churning me into the sales pipeline? You know, I might just buy from someone who takes the time to actually help me rather than just enter my email address into Salesforce.com. Sheesh.
I floated this over at TGP and it seems I'll need short legs. As such the PRS 59/09 and the DiMarzio 36th Anniversary are commonly recommended. The folks over the TGP tend to be going for a different sound than what I'm going for. Does anyone here have experience with these pickups? I want to be sure they're not too hot for me. Also the 59/09s are pricey. If I was to move into that price range I might look at those Lollars. Heady, do the Lollars have short legs?
put dimarsz in there and do a JG buffer ;D like the guy from cubensis
Quote from: Jkendrick on April 03, 2014, 12:58:29 PM
I floated this over at TGP and it seems I'll need short legs. As such the PRS 59/09 and the DiMarzio 36th Anniversary are commonly recommended. The folks over the TGP tend to be going for a different sound than what I'm going for. Does anyone here have experience with these pickups? I want to be sure they're not too hot for me. Also the 59/09s are pricey. If I was to move into that price range I might look at those Lollars. Heady, do the Lollars have short legs?
I've had the Lollars for a few years now, but I'm 90% sure they have short legs.
PS - when I mentioned checking with SD, I meant calling them. I didn't feel like they were giving me a sales pitch, I just told them I found the classifications on their site helpful, but not detailed enough, and they were good at describing their pickups.
Also, I'd keep my eye on eBay and TGP for a used set of pickups too.
I just ordered a set of gold plated SD 59's to put in my Schecter semi-hollow and I'm pumped to hear what it'll sound like. Right now I just have the stock Duncan Designed pups in there which sound decent, my only gripe is that the neck pickup never cut through good enough, specifically during solos/leads. I feel like I lose significant output when switching from bridge to neck pup and it drives me nuts. For a temporary fix, I just raised the bridge pup height 3/4 of a turn...it helped a little bit but I feel like it just made the pup hotter rather than increased output. I'm hoping these new 59's will make everything more balanced (after my research I believe it should), what do you guys think?
Yea the SD 59s are great pickups. All around. Give me a great tone in the bridge of my strat...
Those 59s will sound better for sure. But, if you're trying to keep the current Duncans, keep the neck pickup raised where its at and try lowered the bridge pickup. Also, when soloing in the neck position, dial up the tone knob.
Well, I've got my 59's installed and this was the first time I played them with the full band. I feel like I wasn't cutting through as good as before with my stock pups, but I think I just have to make a few minor adjustments on my amp and pedals, afterall they're different pickups that respond differently and probably (?) have different output than the stock pups. They do sound great, i feel like I have a smoother, longer sustain, warmer tone, and clearer tone. I feel like with my stock pickups my rhythm tones would get a little muddied up. With the 59s, its like they are more balanced and you can really hear the tones of each string shine. I'll be honest, I wasn't wow'd when I first played the guitar after they were put in. It wasn't a huge change in tone, but I can definitely hear the difference in them and I look forward to tweaking my gear a bit to make it sound great.
I feel like I've lost a little bit of punch/dirt to my tone with these new pups, but like i said, i think tweaking my settings will help. I feel like these pups may be less hot, but raising the pup height should help with that (?). So far i've boosted the bass and treble just a tad on my amp eq, turned up the drive on my dirtier TS9DX, and raised the neck and bridge pups 2 full turns and 1 full turn respectively. I'd love to hear any suggestions you guys have to really bring out the punch in these pups.
Get some counterclockwise rotation going and drop those baby's down. Guitars and pickups sound so much better dropped way low-I mean flush to an 1/8" low- combined with gain compensation coming from, you guessed it, turning up your amp! I never let a new set with low output scare me, breathe those individual tonal qualities out as you would any other pickup by adjusting volume and gain via amp and pedals accordingly. And the flush thing, that is coming from strat experience only FYI, but it works. Awesome advice I picked up from kimock's blog a couple years ago. That guy is a genius with this kind of thing.
How low under the strings are you running your pickup( when fretted at the 24th)?
I have two guitars and usually run them them 1/8 below then tweak from their.
Quote from: dontpanic on September 17, 2015, 01:25:17 AM
Get some counterclockwise rotation going and drop those baby's down. Guitars and pickups sound so much better dropped way low-I mean flush to an 1/8" low- combined with gain compensation coming from, you guessed it, turning up your amp! I never let a new set with low output scare me, breathe those individual tonal qualities out as you would any other pickup by adjusting volume and gain via amp and pedals accordingly. And the flush thing, that is coming from strat experience only FYI, but it works. Awesome advice I picked up from kimock's blog a couple years ago. That guy is a genius with this kind of thing.
Ill have to measure and get back to u on that. Can u clarify, there should be an 1/8" space between the string and what?
Sorry, I should have been clearer. It's actually 1/16"! 1/16" from the top of my pickguard to the top of the pickup; NOT THE POLE PIECE. Waaay low. Treble side is a little higher-safe estimate is about 1/8" for the treble side. The bridge is slightly higher overall, but not by much, just enough to hear a bit of boost when riding the bridge. I really can't believe more folks don't play like this... Guys look at me like I'm crazy when they look at/play my guitar, but eventually they see the light. Way more dynamics, especially in a strat (has been tested on single coils, lipsticks, and humbuckers alike). Lot's of support for this on Jerry and Kimock's blogs.... Best thing I ever did was drop them way down, get used to that output, then adjust my rig from there. Oh yea, and then raise that action!
Whoops, I haven't measured from the 24th. Those measurements are all unfretted. I feel like it is all a matter of hear and feel with the pups. No need to measure just get em low! This is all my humble opinion of course!
I played my first gig with the new pups on Friday and must say it sounded way better than rehearsing in the practice space with the band. Having monitors in front of me (we don't rehearse with monitors) helped a lot with perceiving my sound as cutting through the mix. So much better sustain with these pups. Especially when your in the midst of bending a string. The old pups weren't good enough to really catch and hold onto those bends to let them shine through.