Ponder this ^^
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1965-FENDER-DELUXE-AMP-TUBE-GUITAR-AMPLIFIER-/260620309076?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cae2e5254
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1965-FENDER-DELUXE-REVERB-TUBE-GUITAR-AMPLIFIER-/260620309949?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cae2e55bd
I think both are incredibly over-valued, anyway. When will the hoop-la over blackface end?
If I sold my 64 deluxe ( non-reverb ) I would ask $1500. I don't think that is unreasonable. Worth every penny. Try building the same amp with vintage solid pine cabinet and all vintage parts. It'll cost you. That being said, I think 70's silverface amps are under rated and can be had for a lot less money. I just picked up a '75 twin reverb for $600 and I'm very happy with that purchase. You can buy clone amps for less money but after you spend that money, you'll never get it all back. A vintage amp that says fender on it will always hold it's value and probably be worth more when you decide to let it go.
Quote from: sour d on June 24, 2010, 05:42:26 PM
If I sold my 64 deluxe ( non-reverb ) I would ask $1500. I don't think that is unreasonable. Worth every penny. Try building the same amp with vintage solid pine cabinet and all vintage parts. It'll cost you. That being said, I think 70's silverface amps are under rated and can be had for a lot less money. I just picked up a '75 twin reverb for $600 and I'm very happy with that purchase. You can buy clone amps for less money but after you spend that money, you'll never get it all back. A vintage amp that says fender on it will always hold it's value and probably be worth more when you decide to let it go.
Well, yeah, if I were selling the same amp right now I wouldn't even ask 1500, I'd let people bid on it and get around 2000.
Actually, it costs about 300 dollars to build the same thing from the ground up. Trust me.
I don't think they will always hold their value. They're already going for a thousand less than what they were consistently going for (on ebay) in 2006.
By the time the economy pulls out of this recession, most of those people who even know what the fuck a vintage fender is, and why it is so "important," from a commodity fetish standpoint, will be dead.
$600 is great for a '75 twin reverb.
I guess my point in posting these two links was to highlight how great of a buy the first one is (the [non-reverb] Deluxe) compared to the second (Deluxe w/ reverb). I mean, there's no way the presence of reverb is going to hold weight in the future -- all that's going to matter is that it is a pristine '65 Fender amplifier -- if you're going to buy this from a collector's standpoint. And from a player's standpoint, it's an even better buy, because you get everything you would get with a Deluxe Reverb except for the shitty reverb that most people unplug, removing the reverb stage from the signal path.
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 24, 2010, 06:14:50 PM
And from a player's standpoint, it's an even better buy, because you get everything you would get with a Deluxe Reverb except for the shitty reverb that most people unplug, removing the reverb stage from the signal path.
I definetly agree with that. I noticed that this amp didn't need reverb as soon as I plugged into mine for the first time. And by the way, if it only cost $300 to build one, let me know how to pull that off. I've looked before and had a hard time just finding a good solid pine cabinet for that much. I'll pay you twice that if you build me one. :o
http://cgi.ebay.com/Basic-6V6-SE-Class-5F1-Clone-Tube-Valve-Guitar-Amp-/120585994009?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Amplifiers&hash=item1c137c3f19
Quote from: sour d on June 24, 2010, 08:33:12 PM
And by the way, if it only cost $300 to build one, let me know how to pull that off. I've looked before and had a hard time just finding a good solid pine cabinet for that much. I'll pay you twice that if you build me one.
Hm.. you got me there. I wasn't thinking about the pine cab...especially a good one, which, as you say, can get a little expensive.
Quote from: posternutbag on June 24, 2010, 09:19:27 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Basic-6V6-SE-Class-5F1-Clone-Tube-Valve-Guitar-Amp-/120585994009?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Amplifiers&hash=item1c137c3f19
Rob, there's no vintage parts there...
And it looks like a piece of shit. In fact, in case it's not already obvious, I don't think any DIY amp makers are as knowledgeable or capable as myself. Hence, everything I didn't have a hand in is going to suck, from my "point of view"...
just sayin' you can get pretty close for about $350,
iam always only referring to the tone.
collecting is a waste of time.
USELESS?!?!?!?
you are nuts
Quote from: patrickstefanski on June 25, 2010, 02:06:08 PM
USELESS?!?!?!?
you are nuts
OK, fair enough. Assuming you're a beatnik living in circa '63 southern Cal, and you just heard the latest solid-gold surf hit on your girlfriends tiny, sand-blasted, hand-held radio, and you wanted to get that spooky sound on your own, without the help of a major label studio, then--and only then--you would you, could you, possibly dig that far out echo, man, on that shiny new Fender Electronics amplifier you tried out at the local mom-and-pop boutique department store.
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 26, 2010, 12:07:14 AM
you would you, could you, possibly dig that far out echo, man, on that shiny new Fender Electronics amplifier you tried out at the local mom-and-pop boutique department store.
Right before I read this I was looking at this
http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-20th-anniversary-Chrome-Whammy-pedal-/120588262514?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c139edc72
and thinking "who's gonna buy this shiny shit".
just about everything digitech made after the wh-2 is complete shit. somewhere in between foreign assembly line pcb, and mickey mouse club digital encoding software, digitech has consistantly sucked at everything its ever done. hell even the wh2 is only neat because it freaks out when clipping.
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i would slightly disagree over the reverb tank on a DR. probably not why you would think. i used to never use the reverb at all, its noisy, and has a pretty card board flavor to it. but after researching some of the finer points of steve kimocks rig, i changed my mind. combined with a boutique reverb rack and pedal, i can get all sorts of great tones with it barely turned on. something about combining the tank, with a couple of flavors of space, and its gold jerry!
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which leads me to the different modulation effects ive started using so much recently. when youve got the space to accentuate subtle modulation, you can go to mars with your feet planted on the ground.
Quote from: sour d on June 26, 2010, 12:57:40 AM
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 26, 2010, 12:07:14 AM
you would you, could you, possibly dig that far out echo, man, on that shiny new Fender Electronics amplifier you tried out at the local mom-and-pop boutique department store.
Right before I read this I was looking at this
http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-20th-anniversary-Chrome-Whammy-pedal-/120588262514?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c139edc72
and thinking "who's gonna buy this shiny shit".
Other than the generic appearance of the adjective, "shiny," this is entirely unrelated to the point I was trying to make to Stephanski. That being said, I am always happy to see other people getting annoyed at the bullshit that is sold, even if we wouldn't be so stupid as to ever want such a thing (in this case, a shiny, chrome-plated whammy).
Quote from: sour d on June 26, 2010, 12:57:40 AM
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 26, 2010, 12:07:14 AM
you would you, could you, possibly dig that far out echo, man, on that shiny new Fender Electronics amplifier you tried out at the local mom-and-pop boutique department store.
Right before I read this I was looking at this
http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-20th-anniversary-Chrome-Whammy-pedal-/120588262514?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c139edc72
and thinking "who's gonna buy this shiny shit".
Waaaahahahahahahahaa!! It's the same crappy pedal....except SHINY!!! This way when you look down, you can see your stupid face looking back at you wondering why you bought this piece or crap! WTF is going on in the world/who thought this was a good idea?
BTW, 2nd set @ MPP was the SHIT last night. Looking forward to tonight =)
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 26, 2010, 12:07:14 AM
Quote from: patrickstefanski on June 25, 2010, 02:06:08 PM
USELESS?!?!?!?
you are nuts
OK, fair enough. Assuming you're a beatnik living in circa '63 southern Cal, and you just heard the latest solid-gold surf hit on your girlfriends tiny, sand-blasted, hand-held radio, and you wanted to get that spooky sound on your own, without the help of a major label studio, then--and only then--you would you, could you, possibly dig that far out echo, man, on that shiny new Fender Electronics amplifier you tried out at the local mom-and-pop boutique department store.
I love the reverb. i keep it the knob just below 3, so its subtle, but i love it.
Quote from: patrickstefanski on June 28, 2010, 11:59:52 AM
I love the reverb. i keep it the knob just below 3, so its subtle, but i love it.
Agreed .. I do the same.