So I'm finally learning it. I can play the whole song using the first transcription under emil's tabs. Only problem is I'm playing it at about 1/2 regular speed using the Amazing Slow Downer.
After looking in the discussion section on emil's tab for YEM i saw that it was officially transcribed in an issue of Guitar World Magazine. After looking online extensively I couldn't find a link to the Guitar World transcription that works. Does anybody have a link to it?
If not, can anyone play this that would be willing to give me some suggestions?
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sweet thanks man!
Just found this: http://www.mediafire.com/?yydteifhxzj
Its a link to a scanned image of the transcription from guitar world. Hopefully it will help any future learners of YEM
Cant seem to get it up to regular speed. Can anybody on here give me any tips.
Do you use alternate picking or sweeps?
i've been learning it as well
i jsut play it everyday
i started at about 40% speed, and purposely stayed there for awhile. really really learned it.
now i can play it at about 100% speed sloppily, but about 85% speed pretty well.
i think in a couple months i'll have it down smooth.
i'm not an amazing guitar player though, anyone with some skills can probably do it much quicker.
That sounds about like how im learning it.
I started with just the first arpeggio, and didnt move on until I could play it at 100% speed. When i could do that i began working on the first half of the second movement but still cant play it at 100% speed so I moved on to the second half. Now Im at the just playing it everyday stage until i can play it all the way through without fucking up. Maybe ill get a camera and track my progress as a reference to anybody that tries learning it in the future.
BTW, im using the first transcription on emils tabs and it seems to be 100% correct
Quote from: YouEnjoyMyReba on June 15, 2010, 02:27:39 PM
That sounds about like how im learning it.
I started with just the first arpeggio, and didnt move on until I could play it at 100% speed. When i could do that i began working on the first half of the second movement but still cant play it at 100% speed so I moved on to the second half. Now Im at the just playing it everyday stage until i can play it all the way through without fucking up. Maybe ill get a camera and track my progress as a reference to anybody that tries learning it in the future.
BTW, im using the first transcription on emils tabs and it seems to be 100% correct
i learned the whole song straight through, then worked on building it up as a whole. (still am).
yeah, the transcription on emils tabs is right, but i found one section that is pretty stupidly configured, iin my opinion, so i just changed the voicing a little (not changed the notes in anyway, just the strings they are played on and the finger positions).
which section?
Quote from: YouEnjoyMyReba on June 15, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
which section?
I'd also like to know...Patrick, can you post the "new" tab of the section you speak of?
Yeah sure...
after the intro, the SECOND G min section is tabbed like this on emils:
Gm C F Bb
E------------6-10-8--------------|--------------8-------------------|
B----------8--------8-------------|-----------10---11----------------|
G--------7------------9-----------|--------10---------10-------------|
D------8----------------10-------|---7-10---------------12----------|
A---10---------------------10-7-|-8-----------------------13-8-----|
E----------------------------------|-------------------------------10-|
Eb Am7b5 D
E---------------------------8---------|
B-------------8-11-10---------10--|
G-----------8---------8----------8/-|
D---------8-------------10----------|
A------10----------------------------|
E---11-------------------------------|
I Changed it to this:
Gm C F Bb
E------------6-10-8--------------|--------------8--6------------------------|
B----------8--------8-------------|-----------10-------6--------------------|
G--------7------------9-----------|--------10-------------7-----------------|
D------8----------------10-------|---7-10--------------- -- --8------------|
A---10---------------------10-7-|-8------------------------------8--5-----|
E----------------------------------|-------------------------------------------|
Eb Am7b5 D
E------------------5-----------8---------|
B----------------8----10---------10------|
G--------------8---------8----------8/---|
D------5---8-------------10-------------|
A---6-------------------------------------|
E----------------------------------------|
What helps me play it fast (or at least mildly fast) is the fluid up and down motion from E to e and e to E, this just goes more along with that. It's definitely helpful for me.
NOTE: I just did this at work without a guitar in my hand. So, while I think it's right, I might be off on a note or two. Keep in mind all the notes are exactly the same, so if something is off, just sub the appropriate fret.
Quote from: patrickstefanski on June 17, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
Yeah sure...
after the intro, the SECOND G min section is tabbed like this on emils:
Gm C F Bb
E------------6-10-8--------------|--------------8-------------------|
B----------8--------8-------------|-----------10---11----------------|
G--------7------------9-----------|--------10---------10-------------|
D------8----------------10-------|---7-10---------------12----------|
A---10---------------------10-7-|-8-----------------------13-8-----|
E----------------------------------|-------------------------------10-|
Eb Am7b5 D
E---------------------------8---------|
B-------------8-11-10---------10--|
G-----------8---------8----------8/-|
D---------8-------------10----------|
A------10----------------------------|
E---11-------------------------------|
I Changed it to this:
Gm C F Bb
E------------6-10-8--------------|--------------8--6------------------------|
B----------8--------8-------------|-----------10-------6--------------------|
G--------7------------9-----------|--------10-------------7-----------------|
D------8----------------10-------|---7-10--------------- -- --8------------|
A---10---------------------10-7-|-8------------------------------8--5-----|
E----------------------------------|-------------------------------------------|
Eb Am7b5 D
E------------------5-----------8---------|
B----------------8----10---------10------|
G--------------8---------8----------8/---|
D------5---8-------------10-------------|
A---6-------------------------------------|
E----------------------------------------|
What helps me play it fast (or at least mildly fast) is the fluid up and down motion from E to e and e to E, this just goes more along with that. It's definitely helpful for me.
NOTE: I just did this at work without a guitar in my hand. So, while I think it's right, I might be off on a note or two. Keep in mind all the notes are exactly the same, so if something is off, just sub the appropriate fret.
I learned this tune a little while back and found that there were a couple missing notes just after ascending and descending on Eb arpeggio that starts up the neck starting on the 18th fret. Regardless, its very close.
Patrick- what you do over Bb is what I do as well, however, instead of going to D on the A string when approaching Eb, I use my pinky on the low E at the 10th fret and slide right up to Eb and play the arpeggio as written from the tab.
If your still having trouble speeding it up, I think you need to slow it down and make sure you can get through it over and over without any mistakes. It took me a couple months to get the speed all the way up to par with live recordings. And I haven't really played it in a while, as our band is not ready to work on the tune, so I know I'm gonna have to go through the process of shedding it again, but the cool thing is I can remember it pretty well, so getting it up to speed should only take a couple weeks this time around. Also, when working on the speed issues, sometimes its better to just shed little sections over and over at a time.
Dammit this song is a pain in the ass to learn. That is all. >:(
Pat I think the A that you have right below the Am7b5 should actually be an A#, correct?
Quote from: Walker done done on December 01, 2011, 06:07:01 PM
Dammit this song is a pain in the ass to learn. That is all. >:(
Makes me appreciate how Phish (Trey) writes, learns, performs and repeats these songs with precision.
Agreed. I'm not really past learning 2 or 3 arpeggios.
A lot of the arpeggios repeat themselves. If you get past the first 3-4 shapes, you have the foundation for most of the rest. With that said - I have to sweep pick the arpeggios. I am not even close to being able to alternate pick them properly. I understand the merit of the alternate pick - it's just too hard!
If it were shape to shape that's one thing but its shape transition shape and for me I need ti sink my teeth into the transitions because its where I go dumb on a dime.
If you want to learn YEM, my best advice is to first play through the section using just the chords. Make sure you are using the chord shape that the arpeggios are being built from. Once you memorize the chord progression, using the proper chord shapes, it won't take too long to get the arpeggios under your fingers since your fingers are already in the right spot. It is just a matter of which direction to sweep.
Quote from: dabomb on December 10, 2011, 07:48:28 PM
If you want to learn YEM, my best advice is to first play through the section using just the chords. Make sure you are using the chord shape that the arpeggios are being built from. Once you memorize the chord progression, using the proper chord shapes, it won't take too long to get the arpeggios under your fingers since your fingers are already in the right spot. It is just a matter of which direction to sweep.
Thank you! That's some sound advice. I will attempt to skin the cat that way and see how it sounds.
dabomb mentioned above that there are some benefits to using alternate picking and not sweep picking...What would be the benefits of using alternate picking vs. sweep picking? Would it improve tone? Consistency between notes?
I think sweep picking just becomes necessary after the tempo reaches a certain point. You have to have the technique down so you sweep each note in the correct subdivision. Alternate picking can be better for accurate subdivision but you can't do it too fast.
It's like when you sing high notes. When do you go falseto? You loose power but gain pitches.
The major benefit of alternate picking is rhythmic - so yes, consistent length between notes and duration of each note. to my ears, a sweep-pick also lacks the attack of a note off a pick change-of-direction. Then there is muting. You really have to pay attention to good muting on a sweep or the notes just sound like a chords strummed slowly.