in my opinion, Trey's tone sounds the best it's ever sounded. Clearer and way more dynamic. I think it's mostly from eliminating the compressor from the signal. Noticeable difference in clarity in the high frequencies (I think why he gets more of those chirp sounds coming from the amp, when hitting certain high notes). The shimmer from the silver TS9s is really apparent and articulated.. makes each note sound like it was shot out of a tesla coil... and I think the full Koa Ocelot is the best sounding guitar for the rig.
Thoughts?
I run two silver OD9s into a analogman bicomp (which is the best compressor I've used). I haven't turned it off in a while and finally did.. I hear the same types of improvements with my tone.
I've been having a love/hate relationship with my compressor. I get good tone with it on. After a while My tone sounds flat to my ears. Then I turn it off and do some tweaking and I think the tone sound awesome without it. Then I turn it on again and do some tweaking and it sounds really good again.
I even mailed it back to Analogman to be checked to make sure it was working right.
What I have noticed if I run true bypassed pedals before it, it sounds a lot better. The ibanez ts9 when off hindered the sound. Just a maxon od9 and earth drive now.
I bought the last guitar world. He claims its on in his chain slightly. The compressor.
But he also swears up and down he's playing a Bogner not a Mesa.
(http://i.imgur.com/lsS42QU.jpg)
I also have a 4 knob Keeley comp and am undecided between on and off. Sometimes I get too wrapped up in Treys board and sound that I don't do what's right/best for me. I like the little bit of sustain it gives at lower volumes, but it seems to flatten everything out a bit too much. Same as why I'm selling my Mesa - sounds good sometimes, but for my room where I play 99.9% of the time I can't get it to sound like I want to hear. I've been torn on trying that 6l6 Bogner Head. My Vinatage sound breaks up a bit too soon and the Mesa messed with my head on how the knobs work with each other. Another guy on The Gear Page is helping me run through my setup - maybe new speakers with my Hard Truckers cab before a new amp.
Oh and one more thing - does this mean he really is using a Dunlop wah and not a RMC wah? Doh!
I actually go through the same struggle with my compressor. I just notice even with it dialed down as much as possible it still takes a little away from the high ends. So, I turn it off and am like, wow each note is so crisp... turn it on and am like wow it's fatter and makes playing lead a little easier bc every subtle mistakes doesn't sound as stark.
Interesting article. and with the compressor "backed way down", his tone sounds better.
Could you do me a huge favor and snapshot the full list of gear? I noticed the MXR line Line Driver, and have never seen that talked about before. Anyone have insight on that?
I interchange between on and off. I don't believe in 'always on' anything, not even the amplifier (okay maybe that...)
Sorry about asking for the full pic of the magazine article. was viewing it on my phone and half of it got cut off. seriesnuns thanks for sharing that image.
I tend to go back and forth on compressor usage. I didn't even use one for awhile, and have since gone to a Wampler Ego for it's Ross style design with a blend knob. Even then i'll turn it off, and I use it more as an effect to fatten clean single note sections or if I am strumming and forced to sing. It's definitely got great uses in a band setting.
Hmm, I keep mine on. Love my Ross.
Considering those who said the buffer messes with the Ross... I have all my pedals in a TB Loop Switcher, so only the pedals turned on are in the signal chain. Definitely makes a difference, not sure if it specifically has to do with the interaction between the Ibanez buffer and Ross.
Quote from: afountas on December 27, 2015, 03:00:20 PM
in my opinion, Trey's tone sounds the best it's ever sounded. Clearer and way more dynamic. I think it's mostly from eliminating the compressor from the signal. Noticeable difference in clarity in the high frequencies (I think why he gets more of those chirp sounds coming from the amp, when hitting certain high notes). The shimmer from the silver TS9s is really apparent and articulated.. makes each note sound like it was shot out of a tesla coil... and I think the full Koa Ocelot is the best sounding guitar for the rig.
Thoughts?
I run two silver OD9s into a analogman bicomp (which is the best compressor I've used). I haven't turned it off in a while and finally did.. I hear the same types of improvements with my tone.
I disagree with the rig sounding better with the Ross off (or way down, as he says in the GW article). I think my favorite guitar is also the #4, though I do go back and forth on this and so much of it has to do with the changes he makes. He can say what he wants but he's not always right, including in the GW article. He has messed with his gear far more often than he eludes too, from the early Bradshaw rack, to the Bruno cab, to the Fender Deluxe days, to the multiple amp changes between '09 and today (including the SMS preamp for a hot minute), to losing the Ross/getting it back/getting rid of it again/now it's back again or maybe it isn't, to the GD50 additions/changes. It's not like he says, where he says he basically set his gear in '84 and never touched it again.
In a vacuum, sure he's made a lot of changes to his rig. However, I think if you compare Trey to a multitude of other guitarists, especially over a time span of like 25 years, he's been really consistent. And the staples of his tone haven't changed all that much.
Ross hiding in the back of rack unit on minimum sensitivity (not my picture):
(http://i.imgur.com/1m3RVOU.jpg)
^ hella pic right there. Nice work, Ninja!
Awesome.. Thanks for posting.
What's that Blue pedal on top? That seems new.
I have one of those Leslie speakers. It's pretty cool. Weighs like 85 pounds though...
Looks like a Strymon BlueSky or Ola
http://www.strymon.net/products/bluesky/
http://www.strymon.net/products/ola/
Strymon's jacks are in a different position (ie., power on the right rather then center).
It's a Way Huge Supa Puss.
From analogmike himself:
You guys really know your stuff! here's a bit more about the Supa Puss.
Trey uses it at low level, he's only using it for subtle lead solo trails. The dry/wet MIX knob comes up too fast for a subtle delay, it's really hard to get a low level delay. So I modified two for him and I hope that will help. He also got two more Silver mod TS9 pedals, some NOS ones I have been holding since Maxon made them, so they would be just like his others.
Quote from: tsbot on January 06, 2016, 05:26:08 PM
It's a Way Huge Supa Puss.
From analogmike himself:
You guys really know your stuff! here's a bit more about the Supa Puss.
Trey uses it at low level, he's only using it for subtle lead solo trails. The dry/wet MIX knob comes up too fast for a subtle delay, it's really hard to get a low level delay. So I modified two for him and I hope that will help. He also got two more Silver mod TS9 pedals, some NOS ones I have been holding since Maxon made them, so they would be just like his others.
Thats exactly how I use my AD9.
I was just looking at a SP, too funny. My DD500 is too much delay.
Quote from: Buffered on January 06, 2016, 10:41:07 PM
I was just looking at a SP, too funny. My DD500 is too much delay.
Yeah, I looked at those when I sold my Strymon El Cap - the SP was just coming out.
Getting rid of the Ross in my rig would be a way huge mistake. No pun intended
No but for real, I love my Ross comp. And I don't care for it out of Trey's rig either.
Quote from: Helping Friendly on January 07, 2016, 02:32:08 PM
Getting rid of the Ross in my rig would be a way huge mistake. No pun intended
No but for real, I love my Ross comp. And I don't care for it out of Trey's rig either.
Ross is still in Trey's rig, check page 1.
Personally I love my Ross and it's always on. Maybe it's just that my ear has become tuned to it, but I feel like it adds a lushness and richness to the tone that I just can't live without, and I've tried...I always come back to it.
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on January 06, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
Ross hiding in the back of rack unit on minimum sensitivity (not my picture):
(http://i.imgur.com/1m3RVOU.jpg)
I think that setting isn't too different than he often uses the Ross:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z342/Jon_Weingarden/Trey/Treys_Pedals_R_2-1.jpg)
From some years ago.
I never said he changed the settings, I only thought he took it out again.
But yea the compression sensitivity seems to be at the same level (I think he should turn it to 9 or even 10 o clock again imo) it's been since 2010.
But do we know if it's even on ;D. Also who knows, could be modded for true bypass if he keeps it there but turned off.
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on January 08, 2016, 11:06:48 AM
I never said he changed the settings, I only thought he took it out again.
But yea the compression sensitivity seems to be at the same level (I think he should turn it to 9 or even 10 o clock again imo) it's been since 2010.
Yeah - I wasn't saying you said he changed it, just generally that its at his lower setting again. Which still has a decent amount of compression in a Ross circuit, but I set mine at 9 o'clock.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on January 08, 2016, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on January 08, 2016, 11:06:48 AM
t yea the compression sensitivity seems to be at the same level (I think he should turn it to 9 or even 10 o clock again imo) it's been since 2010.
Which still has a decent amount of compression in a Ross circuit, but I set mine at 9 o'clock.
That they do, I usually keep my sensitivity down all the way... I'll turn it up for songs like Gin and Black-Eyed to really squish it.
I'm with Sco. I always leave on my CMatsmod compressor at the minimum setting. It's just enough to help with the sustain. Anymore and i just start losing dynamics. I think compressor users tend to use stronger settings initially but as our ears mature to out tone, we find less is more.
Also I rely on an eq pedal with a nice mid hump, with the peak at 800 hz. That really gets the sustain just oozing out of my amp. I also keep my speaker 45 degrees from me and about 4 feet away. It's good for me to play a certain note and then position my guitar or shift my body to see where that note likes to resonate. Then try another note and do the same. It's really fun getting the fundamental harmonic going then lean over a hair and let that second order harmonic take over; now you are riding that next octave up.
Anyway I've been playing through a custom amp that my friend made from scratch. He is brilliant. It's based off of a Trainwreck but totally tailored for what I require. I'm in heaven with it.
Sorry to digress.