In Miami Trey had 3 cabs...Center with matching L/R. Did he switch to a W/D/W rig/?
Quote from: posternutbag on January 04, 2010, 09:36:45 AM
the 2x12's are trey's ole faithful languedoc built cabinets both are pushed by 1 mesa boogie mark III
the 4x12 is a bruno build mini cabinet, being pushed by yet another mesa boogie mark III head
Before I open my mouth as a newbie, let me humbly preface my commentary, and in a roundabout way introduce myself as well. Pardon me if I Ramble, I am in Florida and I'm suffering from California deprivation syndrome caused by a sudden and painful lack of THC.
Last March, I had the great fortune of building a replica of Treys rig minus the rack last March with the gracious help of Glenn, Brian and Bill Carruth who is Treys amp guy in Vermont. I celebrated my California production companies 5th Anniversary by bringing Kimock and Melvin Seals out to the Norva, in Norfolk Va. to play after the Hampton shows, and I wanted to backline Trey so we could invite him to come sit-in. A mantra to my craft if you will. I put together all the floor based pedals as best I could...same ross compressor.....same whammy, Boommerang,....you follow. Packed an AKG 414, and a Sennheiser 409 and flew out with them as well as Filtered, regulated power supllies, vovox cables, velcro to mount the pedals.....A few weeks before I had shipped an amazing 65' Deluxe out to Bill, ordered the correct Weber and got it there in time to "break in" the speaker so it would be performance ready. Bill fedexed it to my hotel in Virginia and b the time I was in Hampton I had everything but the rack which I did assemble, but was too large to fly with. In this process I learned alot about Treys Rig. As 65 Deluxes do not have an fx loop, this meant that at least the microverb ( a line level unit that is not used prior to preamp tubes) had to be taking its signal after the speaker....or at least from a speaker tap with cab filter.
Quote from: posternutbag on January 04, 2010, 09:36:45 AMtogether they are used completely wet
Well.....bear with me here, but thats not possible. Wet signal is comprised of parallel fx...i.e. delay, reverb....Anything used additively and not kept serial in line. That would mean no guitar signal came out of the cabs.....just fx would be coming out. It could be wet/dry with a line mixer, but I don't see a Bradshaw or other line mixer in his rack.....or it could just be a serial signal with an parallel fx sent to the board....however I don't see Trey ceding that control....
IN STEREO: As you described that is not possible. If one boogie powered the left and right languedoc simultaneoeusly that means there is no L/R image. If its stereo, then one boogie would be powering the left languedoc and left half of the bruno.....and the other would be powering the right Languedoc and right half of the Bruno........as described the Left signal (languedocs) would be on both sides of the right signal (Bruno) bringing the phase out of alignment. This would mean no stereo image, and the phase cancellation issues would literally render the rig unperformable.
Quote from: posternutbag on January 04, 2010, 09:36:45 AMhe retains his clarity through the mix by using the ross compressor, and the hardwired direct connection to his amp via the bradshaw floor controller.
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Oh my, that reminds me of the time I was dealing with Sprint about errant charges for the buisiness phone. This woman was just plain acting weird. " Mamm I'm just trying to correct a billing issue...your not just being difficult, you are acting downright odd to me I think I need to speak to your supervisor." Her answer....." Sir I just don't approve of your buisiness...selling those sex toys and such." She certainly felt awkward when I told her we were a production company!" :)
Wow cool, I had heard about Treys rig being pepped for the kimock show at Hampton. It's a shame that sit in didn't happen. Welcome to strangedesign. Please spread more of you knowledge amongst our various forums! Sorry, I'm not the guy to comment on your question.
Quote from: Passion Presents on January 05, 2010, 02:33:24 AM
Before I open my mouth as a newbie, let me humbly preface my commentary, and in a roundabout way introduce myself as well. Pardon me if I Ramble, I am in Florida and I'm suffering from California deprivation syndrome caused by a sudden and painful lack of THC.
Last March, I had the great fortune of building a replica of Treys rig minus the rack last March with the gracious help of Glenn, Brian and Bill Carruth who is Treys amp guy in Vermont. I celebrated my California production companies 5th Anniversary by bringing Kimock and Melvin Seals out to the Norva, in Norfolk Va. to play after the Hampton shows, and I wanted to backline Trey so we could invite him to come sit-in. A mantra to my craft if you will. I put together all the floor based pedals as best I could...same ross compressor.....same whammy, Boommerang,....you follow. Packed an AKG 414, and a Sennheiser 409 and flew out with them as well as Filtered, regulated power supllies, vovox cables, velcro to mount the pedals.....A few weeks before I had shipped an amazing 65' Deluxe out to Bill, ordered the correct Weber and got it there in time to "break in" the speaker so it would be performance ready. Bill fedexed it to my hotel in Virginia and b the time I was in Hampton I had everything but the rack which I did assemble, but was too large to fly with. In this process I learned alot about Treys Rig. As 65 Deluxes do not have an fx loop, this meant that at least the microverb ( a line level unit that is not used prior to preamp tubes) had to be taking its signal after the speaker....or at least from a speaker tap with cab filter.
together they are used completely wet
Well.....bear with me here, but thats not possible. Wet signal is comprised of parallel fx...i.e. delay, reverb....Anything used additively and not kept serial in line. That would mean no guitar signal came out of the cabs.....just fx would be coming out. It could be wet/dry with a line mixer, but I don't see a Bradshaw or other line mixer in his rack.....or it could just be a serial signal with an parallel fx sent to the board....however I don't see Trey ceding that control....
IN STEREO: As you described that is not possible. If one boogie powered the left and right languedoc simultaneoeusly that means there is no L/R image. If its stereo, then one boogie would be powering the left languedoc and left half of the bruno.....and the other would be powering the right Languedoc and right half of the Bruno........as described the Left signal (languedocs) would be on both sides of the right signal (Bruno) bringing the phase out of alignment. This would mean no stereo image, and the phase cancellation issues would literally render the rig unperformable.
he retains his clarity through the mix by using the ross compressor, and the hardwired direct connection to his amp via the bradshaw floor controller.
Now THAT is a post. Welcome, and thanks for sharing this info. Unfortunately some of it is over my head, my knowledge is a beautiful thing to strive for. Thanks again, look forward to more of your posts!
Quote from: posternutbag on January 05, 2010, 11:17:42 AM
wow neat thanks for the info.
seems like a lot of money to spend!
I resold the pedals ( a few I had already), but kept the amp. Being that I had sold out the Norva it seemed like a fair gift to mysel. And though I would never sell it. Its an amazing, amazing amp. I use eit when I sit in or fly-in to play. Otherwise I run my keboardist through it....It does amazing things for the stage mix. that thing sounds sinfully good!
Quote from: posternutbag on January 05, 2010, 02:24:07 PM
or he could just have a stereo out running from his switcher?
Well CAE 4x4 have 4 isolated sinlgle outputs run in series, so no. I use them, but I also need a line mixer to send out m stereo signal.
yeah i was pretty fried when i replied to your post present, id agree it would have to be split half and half on the bruno cabinet for the wide stereo. the patch bay in his rack could run that reverb. at least thats the way my system works. it converts all of the analog/digital stuff in the rack to a relayed midi signal.
---The patchbay makes sense, but that means it does not return to the amp, but rather goes direct to console. Since the 65' has no fx loop/power amp in....there is no place to feed that signal back into the amp. It would have to feed the board. Definitely the highest fidelity approach..I keep all delays and verbs out of the tubes and its profound the difference it makes. I'm curious if the boomerang takes a send from the 4x4, and sends its output to the patch bay. If you run them through the guitar amp itself, you have to sacrifice guitar for loop and the power sections muddies the loops. At least at concert volume I have seen that get problematic.
Larry Carltons guitar signal comes through his Dumble cab and his effects are stereo via 2 individual cabs between his Dumble Cab That is what it sounds like Trey does.
Passion Presents,
If your at liberty to say, please let me know which correct "Weber" you used in the Deluxe you had modded by Bill C. Is it a Weber Blue, Celestian Blue. Jensen Blue or is it not blue at all? The pics we saw here actually appear to be Jensen P12Ns painted Blue with a Big bell on the back covering the magnet. This has eluded me forever. Even with with the pics posted (here and elsewhere) I have never heard or seen anything concrete about the correct speaker Trey uses in his deluxe. Can you actually put this issue to rest and mention the specific or correct Weber you had Bill Install or did you install it after he did the mods for you?
Thanks...
I know it's an old topic, but what about his leslie. Does his leslie receive the effects from the 4x4 switcher? It seems like the GBOTT tone that has been talked about a lot on here is a combination of ts, whammy, and leslie. It sounds so clear though; it's almost like he splits his pre-whammy signal into the leslie and then runs the whammy signal through his regular amp/cabs.
It'd be like this
guitar->
pre-comp effects->
spit a and b->
a: leslie
b: whammy->dr