Hey everybody, sorry if this has been covered before but I am looking into an EQ pedal to shape the tone I get from my DRRI. Something that'll be always on that I can leave on my amp. What would you recommend? Not looking to break the bank though.
What are we looking at in terms of "breaking the bank"? Anything over $200.00? Anything over $100.00??
Quote from: ColForbin on January 25, 2012, 01:12:55 PM
What are we looking at in terms of "breaking the bank"? Anything over $200.00? Anything over $100.00??
My bad, forgot that detail. I'm not looking to spend more than $100, if I had more I'd check out the fromel shape ASAP, but in the meantime the fish n chips by dank has gotten good reviews so that's on my radar as well.
My MXR 10-band is a fantastic piece of gear. Powerful and transparent on bypass.
What don't you like about your amps tone? I have always been in the camp that say if you don't like the tone of your guitar into your amp, one of those has to change.
If it is a small change, one thing I always suggest on a Fender, which is very counterintuitive, is to turn the bass all the way down, turn the treble all the way up, then roll off your guitars tone knob until the treble isn't too harsh. You get more upper midrange and really makes your notes pop out.
Also, if it is a stock DRRI, I tend to like a new speaker - as this is a Trey forum, it isn't too sacrilegious to suggest a British speaker.?. I have an Eminence Red Fang and Weber is sending me a Blue Dog to test out.
On the other hand, an EQ can be very helpful as an effect - the Fromel Shape is great though, but kinda pricey. I also have a Boss PQ4 that I am probably gonna sell, still a little expensive (I am trying to figure out the value, maybe a little over $100). The PQ4 can be more extreme, but still easier to dial in than a graphic EQ.
I have heard great things about the MXR, as long as you don't overdo each slider. The only two negatives are the 10 band needs 12v IIRC and a couple people complained about it being noisy.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on January 25, 2012, 09:33:45 PM
What don't you like about your amps tone? I have always been in the camp that say if you don't like the tone of your guitar into your amp, one of those has to change.
If it is a small change, one thing I always suggest on a Fender, which is very counterintuitive, is to turn the bass all the way down, turn the treble all the way up, then roll off your guitars tone knob until the treble isn't too harsh. You get more upper midrange and really makes your notes pop out.
Also, if it is a stock DRRI, I tend to like a new speaker - as this is a Trey forum, it isn't too sacrilegious to suggest a British speaker.?. I have an Eminence Red Fang and Weber is sending me a Blue Dog to test out.
On the other hand, an EQ can be very helpful as an effect - the Fromel Shape is great though, but kinda pricey. I also have a Boss PQ4 that I am probably gonna sell, still a little expensive (I am trying to figure out the value, maybe a little over $100). The PQ4 can be more extreme, but still easier to dial in than a graphic EQ.
I have heard great things about the MXR, as long as you don't overdo each slider. The only two negatives are the 10 band needs 12v IIRC and a couple people complained about it being noisy.
It's not that I don't like the tone of my guitar or amp, I do, but I'm curious about an EQ pedal for "testing the waters" so to say. I have the Jensen C12K in my DRRI, which is a pretty efficient/reliable speaker. Being at school and my amp at the practice space, it'd be a pain in the ass to break one in, so a swap may have to wait until summer, and with graduation coming around I'm hoping for a new amp to play when I get home from working at a Dunkin Donuts after I get my degree.
Is a 6 band or 10 band better? I heard that two of the sliders on the 10 don't really apply to the guitar.
The MXR 10-band runs on 18V but comes with its own PS.
The two lowest bands are typically not useful on guitar (unless you have an octave pedal engaged). Tht still gives you 8 bands of useful EQ... better than 7 IMO. Also the quality is top notch, I think its one of the best out there for under $125.
I've never understood the need for an EQ pedal.
I use my amps EQ, my Timmy, and if that isn't enough, I switch my guitar.
Yea, I hear you about testing the waters - you won't know till you try. With that being said, it seems the more bands you have, the more you can test and try - if you buy a used 10 band, I suspect you will only lose the shipping cost if you decide to sell it.
That being said, I forgot to mention in my above post (though I made a thread on it), I don't use EQ as an always on, but rather as an effect - mid-boost, specifically. I was trying to emulate Trey's EQ change when he switches channels on his DRRI.
PON has a point... I have no real "Need" for the EQ. Id be using it as a boost at this point. I saw the 6-band MXR for $80 at my local shop. Pretty good deal for a quality EQ. I think the bands on the 6-band is different from the 10-band.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on January 26, 2012, 04:50:02 PM
Yea, I hear you about testing the waters - you won't know till you try. With that being said, it seems the more bands you have, the more you can test and try - if you buy a used 10 band, I suspect you will only lose the shipping cost if you decide to sell it.
That being said, I forgot to mention in my above post (though I made a thread on it), I don't use EQ as an always on, but rather as an effect - mid-boost, specifically. I was trying to emulate Trey's EQ change when he switches channels on his DRRI.
That's a good point too, I forgot Trey had that mod for his DRRI's. That would be another cool reason to check out an EQ pedal...
$80? That sound's like a good deal. I saw an Arion EQ pedal at my local shop but I dunno how much it was/quality of Arion. I think it had 7 or 8 bands? Weird?
Trey uses DRRIs?
I'm pretty sure Trey used an original, heavily modified Deluxe Reverb from late 97-2004 (in certain videos from 12-29-97 you can see it leaning up against his rack). His DRs had Mid eq controls in place of one of the inputs on both channels. I think that is the goal of the eq pedal, to simulate the mid boosted DR tones?
But to answer your question, I don't think trey has used a DR Reissue. A couple guys have posted a similarly modified DR in the classified section. That'll give you a pretty good idea of how trey is modded.
Yea, sorry, I didn't mean DRRI, it was a '65 DR. And yea, that is what my idea was using an EQ, it definitely helps get the lead tone.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on January 28, 2012, 01:04:35 AM
Yea, sorry, I didn't mean DRRI, it was a '65 DR. And yea, that is what my idea was using an EQ, it definitely helps get the lead tone.
Yeah I was just bustin your chops a bit. It's cool. I would agree it would help to have eq pedal for that mod sound.
That's kind of the tone that I was hoping to move towards in my DRRI with an EQ pedal, the mid-boosted DR.
Happy, how do you like the Dano Fish n' Chips EQ? It's gotten a fair amount of praise and is super cheap.
Tom I bought it as a joke cuz I had $25 gift card at Best Buy. Well it's actually just fine. No obvious tone sucking. I really only use as a boost after compressor, meaning all bands at zero, just the volume slider raised. It does however sound good when sliders are used for a hump. I might upgrade some day but for the money it's good. Not much risk by just getting one.
Quote from: Happyorange27 on January 28, 2012, 05:20:34 PM
Tom I bought it as a joke cuz I had $25 gift card at Best Buy. Well it's actually just fine. No obvious tone sucking. I really only use as a boost after compressor, meaning all bands at zero, just the volume slider raised. It does however sound good when sliders are used for a hump. I might upgrade some day but for the money it's good. Not much risk by just getting one.
HO, why don't you just turn your compressor volume up a little more instead of using the eq as a flat boost?
Quote from: IamWILSON on January 28, 2012, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Happyorange27 on January 28, 2012, 05:20:34 PM
Tom I bought it as a joke cuz I had $25 gift card at Best Buy. Well it's actually just fine. No obvious tone sucking. I really only use as a boost after compressor, meaning all bands at zero, just the volume slider raised. It does however sound good when sliders are used for a hump. I might upgrade some day but for the money it's good. Not much risk by just getting one.
HO, why don't you just turn your compressor volume up a little more instead of using the eq as a flat boost?
Mr. Wilson that is a great question. As you may know when using a compressor pedal your dynamics are somewhat limited. When I met singing I'd like to have a normal volume and when I am soloing I like to have a louder volume hence I like the option of raising my entire volume of the rig. Have you ever played on stage and you needed just a little more boost? This is why I have a boost pedal.
Yea, I have a used Micro Amp I use for this, $40 used can't be beat!
"Have you ever played on stage and you needed just a little more boost? This is why I have a boost pedal."
I've got a special volume knob installed on all my guitars just for this. My knobs go up to 11... so if I need that little extra push over the cliff, I turn it up to 11.
Quote from: IamWILSON on January 29, 2012, 03:09:36 PM
"Have you ever played on stage and you needed just a little more boost? This is why I have a boost pedal."
I've got a special volume knob installed on all my guitars just for this. My knobs go up to 11... so if I need that little extra push over the cliff, I turn it up to 11.
That's cool but that pushes harder through all pedals especially OD. I go for a general increase after the compressor so that I don't necessarily push the signal to be dirtier. Also Wilson if you are playing with decent compression you method isn't buying you much volume boost right. Hey to each their own.
Quote from: Happyorange27 on January 29, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: IamWILSON on January 29, 2012, 03:09:36 PM
"Have you ever played on stage and you needed just a little more boost? This is why I have a boost pedal."
I've got a special volume knob installed on all my guitars just for this. My knobs go up to 11... so if I need that little extra push over the cliff, I turn it up to 11.
That's cool but that pushes harder through all pedals especially OD. I go for a general increase after the compressor so that I don't necessarily push the signal to be dirtier. Also Wilson if you are playing with decent compression you method isn't buying you much volume boost right. Hey to each their own.
Actually, I just save a little room in my regular volume knob for the increase. Or if while playing, I really do need a little more volume after my guitars volume knob is maxed out, I will turn my amps volume up a little more.
Happy, have you ever seen Spinal Tap?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY
Damn some if you videos aren't playing on my phone. I'll check it out later.
Yeah I don't want to be going over to amp an messing with it. I like defined levels of decibels. :)