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Heady, I know you like your cleaner one first and dirty second, but I encourage you to flip them around and try the other way. Also max out the volume with both ts-9's and use the compressor to control the volume. Your shit will scream when you have them both on. Play the YEM note for 6 minutes! Your neighbors will thank me. ;) NOT!
I'll give it a try Wilson, but I have tried both of those things with no avail; IIRC, even with the comp, I got too much volume with the dirty TS's volume maxed (I keep it at 12 o'clock, it got bumped before I took the pic), and I always get a muddy, blanketed sound anytime I but a dirtier drive (TS or other) before a cleaner one.
Either way, I can hold a note until I fall asleep ;)
PS - I looked at some more pics of Trey's Mesa, and I have been running the main volume lower, the master higher and the lead volume higher. I get a more aggressive lead tone - I kinda miss the super smooth, cleaner one I had before, more of a fusion kinda thing, but I can't go back from the balls-out rock tone I am getting now. And the Red Fang won out over the EVM12L in the end.
Nice Porn!
I like dirty in front as well but I keep the volumes under 12 oclock because i like relatively unitary volume in all combinations. That's because my compressor is only at 10 oclock on compression thus i still have some dynamics in my playing, not squashville. Everybody's combination of gear is going to react differently.
Very true, they react differently. I keep my TS's set the same whether or not I have the compressors sustain set at 9 or 12. I tried the dirtier one first again, given I was playing quietly because one roommate is a bit hung over and the other is studying, but I still prefer the dirtier one second.
The interesting thing is there are significant differences between those two vintage TS9's. The '83 is tighter and smoother while the '82 is a bit looser and crunchier or grittier. I've been using the '82 2nd as my dirtier TS.
Quote from: IamWILSON on June 19, 2012, 10:10:34 PM
Heady, I know you like your cleaner one first and dirty second, but I encourage you to flip them around and try the other way. Also max out the volume with both ts-9's and use the compressor to control the volume. Your shit will scream when you have them both on. Play the YEM note for 6 minutes! Your neighbors will thank me. ;) NOT!
Trey puts them in this order with the dirty driving the clean. The order on the floor is decieving but if you follow the cables.
http://www.mikepiera.com/phish/phish062004.htm
Here is a really good pic of Trey's rig:
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But I just can't get it to sound as good that way. I'll try it again at volume, but never did it for me with a TS or other dirt pedals either.
The above photo is hideous in comparison to your setup. I like the hardwood flooring -- no doubt, it adds a woodiness to your tone one would not receive were one to place the pedalboard on carpet or concrete.
Lol, thanks man - I never expected my rig make Trey's look hideous
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on June 20, 2012, 08:11:06 PM
Lol, thanks man - I never expected my rig make Trey's look hideous
In all honesty, I think you went into the construction of your setup with a certain artistic flair. I really do like the the purple phone-cord exiting the purple-base wah. I often tell people the story of when, years ago, I played a blues solo a half step down from the rest of the band. Ultimately, I received amazing head that night and I attribute that experience simply to the fact that I was playing a beautiful, honey-burst Les Paul. To summarize: the appeal of one's guitar playing is highly subjective and contingent, to a certain extent, on appearance.
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 20, 2012, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on June 20, 2012, 08:11:06 PM
Lol, thanks man - I never expected my rig make Trey's look hideous
In all honesty, I think you went into the construction of your setup with a certain artistic flair. I really do like the the purple phone-cord exiting the purple-base wah. I often tell people the story of when, years ago, I played a blues solo a half step down from the rest of the band. Ultimately, I received amazing head that night and I attribute that experience simply to the fact that I was playing a beautiful, honey-burst Les Paul. To summarize: the appeal of one's guitar playing is highly subjective and contingent, to a certain extent, on appearance.
Interesting... the funny part is I am not really interested in the aesthetics of my rig, just how it sounds and how easy it is for me to navigate (ie get from clean to soaring leads and all in between). I got that Lava Coil used at a good price, I heard the old budwah's sound better, so that is why I have a purple one. Though I guess I do appreciate it when people think my rig looks cool.
Thanks man
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on June 20, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 20, 2012, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on June 20, 2012, 08:11:06 PM
Lol, thanks man - I never expected my rig make Trey's look hideous
In all honesty, I think you went into the construction of your setup with a certain artistic flair. I really do like the the purple phone-cord exiting the purple-base wah. I often tell people the story of when, years ago, I played a blues solo a half step down from the rest of the band. Ultimately, I received amazing head that night and I attribute that experience simply to the fact that I was playing a beautiful, honey-burst Les Paul. To summarize: the appeal of one's guitar playing is highly subjective and contingent, to a certain extent, on appearance.
Interesting... the funny part is I am not really interested in the aesthetics of my rig, just how it sounds and how easy it is for me to navigate (ie get from clean to soaring leads and all in between). I got that Lava Coil used at a good price, I heard the old budwah's sound better, so that is why I have a purple one. Though I guess I do appreciate it when people think my rig looks cool.
Thanks man
In listening to your recordings, I can't help but notice a lot of noise. Do you get that kind of background noise when plugging straight into your amp? Listen/view The Song Remains the Same on blu-ray. There's only but so many floor effects used in that performance (wah, overdrive). The rest is engineered after the fact (reverb, delay, wide stereo imaging, etc.). Try recording with a cranked amp and, if needed, a wah and/or one or two overdrive pedals. Also, plug your amp, effects, mic-preamps, etc, into a single power strip
Thanks man, I haven't done too much recording lately. I haven't had as much noise lately either - it seems like when the person who lives below me has their home stereo on, I get a lot more (their home stereo is right below my rig).
I run my rig off of a Tripplite Voltage Regulator, plugging in both my amp and pedaboard, then I run my pedals off the Furman Board. There is definitely less noise straight in or with no effects on, and probably lower in the ratio if the amp is louder. Come to think of it, I don't usually plug the interface or computer into the same power source - and the computer increases noise if it is too close to my rig (even my cell phone will, but negligibly).
I would definitely love less noise, but I love using a TS9 and comp (I usually just have those two on). I thought about shielding the guitar or trying other pickups, but my rig has gotten quieter since then. I used to run my treble really high on Fender amps and roll my tone know way off - I think that makes the noise more noticeable as well.
A voltage regulator, really? If all your devices are drawing a certain current, how is that necessary? Are you trying to regulate the current to your amp?
Quote from: cactuskeeb on June 20, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
A voltage regulator, really? If all your devices are drawing a certain current, how is that necessary? Are you trying to regulate the current to your amp?
Just tells me f the voltage strays significantly from 120v or if there are issues with the ground. I don't have control over it, but I guess it helps stay in the correct range. Otherwise, it is a surge protector on steroids.
I don't meant to intrude but when I owned a SKB PS-45 I had a decent amount of hiss and the culprit was the power supply.
Quote from: fulltone1989 on June 20, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
I don't meant to intrude but when I owned a SKB PS-45 I had a decent amount of hiss and the culprit was the power supply.
No intrusion - I had an SKB PS-45 and never used its power supply, but I know they copied Furman. I never heard about Furman boards having a noise issue though. If switching would make it quieter, than I would, though it hasn't been as bad lately.
TL. DR cactus is probably right
Sorry, not sure what TL and DR means - cactus is right about too many effects, power, volume?
I appreciate it guys - quieter is better
Should I try just the TS9 and/or just the comp plugged into the Furman and see if that helps, maybe try one or the other with a power strip?
oh you guys, back to ignoring my posts
you need a isolated output power strip, GOOGLE ISO BAR and move on with you lives.
Quote from: Poster on June 20, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
oh you guys, back to ignoring my posts
you need a isolated output power strip, GOOGLE ISO BAR and move on with you lives.
Lol - wanna hear it.
Checked out the Iso Bar, it is a power strip / surge protector with isolated jacks, EMI and RFI filtering etc. So I would run each piece of gear off of that; amp and wall-warts for each pedal...
The tripp lite I have doesn't seem to isolate the jacks, but corrects voltages. The Furman says the jacks are isolated, though some people seem to think they aren't.
you need the isobar made for comm equipment, they make different kinds
I think the Tripp Lite is Isolated. At least that's how I interpreted the amazon ad.
Quote from: fulltone1989 on June 20, 2012, 11:49:03 PM
I think the Tripp Lite is Isolated. At least that's how I interpreted the amazon ad.
The Tripp Lite I have is a power line conditioner with automatic voltage regulation. I can't find anything anywhere that says the outlets are isolated.
From Poster's suggestion, the Iso Bar is a Premium Surge Protector. The ISOBAR8Ultra has 8 outlets, it seems they are isolated in pairs of 2 because it says there are 4 filter banks. This would work since I have 6 pedals (probably gonna add a tuner) and my amp. However, the outlets are stacked pretty close and I don't think I can fit 4 wall warts on there...
The other option is using more than one Iso Bar, but then I supposed I could have ground loop hum between them and I would probably need something like the Ebtech HumX.?.
Ok, I see that one too but this is the one I have -> http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-ISOBAR6ULTRA-Premium-Protector/dp/B0000513US/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340295182&sr=8-3&keywords=ISObar
This leads me to believe that the Tripp-Lite and ISOBAR are the same company.
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, it says this:
"Exclusive isolated filter banks eliminate line noise interference"
I read that as "isolated outputs."
I can plug all of my stuff into the 6 spot, are you using a wall wart for each pedal ala Trey? I think thats the best way to go, and Radioshack sells a little 3 prong extender to make everything fit (how I use the courtesey AC outlet on my PP with a pedaltrain) but I don't know if that adds any noise, but personally I don't think so.
Quote from: fulltone1989 on June 21, 2012, 12:23:39 PM
Ok, I see that one too but this is the one I have -> http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-ISOBAR6ULTRA-Premium-Protector/dp/B0000513US/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340295182&sr=8-3&keywords=ISObar
This leads me to believe that the Tripp-Lite and ISOBAR are the same company.
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, it says this:
"Exclusive isolated filter banks eliminate line noise interference"
I read that as "isolated outputs."
I can plug all of my stuff into the 6 spot, are you using a wall wart for each pedal ala Trey? I think thats the best way to go, and Radioshack sells a little 3 prong extender to make everything fit (how I use the courtesey AC outlet on my PP with a pedaltrain) but I don't know if that adds any noise, but personally I don't think so.
Yea, Iso Bar is a Tripp Lite product line of surge protectors. The radio shack thing is a great idea, otherwise I wouldn't be able to fit all my plugs.
I am not using wall warts currently except for my El Cap, but I will have to get 4 or so 9v ones for various pedals - not sure which ones or if it matters... There are cheap ones on ebay, but I have heard it can make a difference, though maybe not when using the Iso Bar?
Hopefully I can remove the power supply from my Furman and velcro the Iso Bar in its place or something, otherwise I will probably get a different pedalboard cuz it is ridiculous having that huge power supply and not using it. There is a PT1HC for sale locally, I could probably fit the Iso Bar under it, just not sure all my expression pedals will fit ;)
Careful. The filter banks are isolated but for example there are 4 banks with the one that has 8 outlets. 2 outlets per bank. Still a good deal. I'm buying the 8 outlet one right now beeyotches!
Quote from: Happyorange27 on June 21, 2012, 12:41:02 PM
Careful. The filter banks are isolated but for example there are 4 banks with the one that has 8 outlets. 2 outlets per bank. Still a good deal. I'm buying the 8 outlet one right now beeyotches!
Yea, I am thinking about getting the 8 as well and that was the only other concern I had aside from fitting 8 wall-warts, whether 4 banks was sufficient (the 6 has 3 banks) so every 2 pedals would share a bank.
I wish I understood why the Furman wouldn't be as good since it says each power spot is isolated (people always post on TGP that they aren't isolated, but it says it on Furman's site). The voodoo labs pedal power says each one is isolated as well, and that is a pretty popular power supply, which makes me wonder if it is better than the Furman, if so, why? And similarly, is the Iso Bar better than the Voodoo Labs and why?
Those questions can be rhetorical (just stream of consciousness wonders) unless someone has answers they are willing to share
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on June 21, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Happyorange27 on June 21, 2012, 12:41:02 PM
Careful. The filter banks are isolated but for example there are 4 banks with the one that has 8 outlets. 2 outlets per bank. Still a good deal. I'm buying the 8 outlet one right now beeyotches!
Yea, I am thinking about getting the 8 as well and that was the only other concern I had aside from fitting 8 wall-warts, whether 4 banks was sufficient (the 6 has 3 banks) so every 2 pedals would share a bank.
I wish I understood why the Furman wouldn't be as good since it says each power spot is isolated (people always post on TGP that they aren't isolated, but it says it on Furman's site). The voodoo labs pedal power says each one is isolated as well, and that is a pretty popular power supply, which makes me wonder if it is better than the Furman, if so, why? And similarly, is the Iso Bar better than the Voodoo Labs and why?
Those questions can be rhetorical (just stream of consciousness wonders) unless someone has answers they are willing to share
I think you can detatch the PSU from that board, but it might ruin the resale value. GC sells the PT1HC w/ free shipping for $120, but the local deal is better probably and you're helping a fella out.
I have a VL Pedal Power below my board now but as far as I know the ISOBAR won't fit under the bottom without adding aftermarket feet on the PT to raise the height dramatically. Totally reversable however. On the other hand, the ISOBAR would fit in the case and setup and strike would still be pretty easy. AS far as I know the VL PP is like having 8 9v, 12v, or 18v(w/ doubling cables) isolated transformers (wall warts) in one enclosure. It also has an AC jack on the backside for AC PSU's since the 8 boss tip jacks are DC. The VL PP can fit under almost any pedaltrain board.
That's very interesting about the ISOBAR banks, is there a diagram or a list of which outlets share which bank?
I was thinking the same thing about trying to fit the iso under the pt. I did get the power supply off my Furman and I think I prefer a flat board since I have 3 expression pedals, lol.
As for the iso bar's banks, I have no idea, but I just figured they paired by the two across from each other.
I am not sure if I could fit everything on a PT1 anyway. I saw a few PT2s on sale on ebay, one is in the $170's. I think I am going to stick with the Furman and try an Iso Bar in the near future. I really don't wanna deal with selling the Furman and if I do down the road, I can always put the power supply back on.
Seems like a solid choice, from what I can remember the ISO bar is the same width as the Furman and would work a-ok
Sweet, I have a little extra space if need be.
FWIW I tried today with only one pedal on one of the eight spots on the furman and two using wall-warts on the Furman, which should be isolated. Didn't change the background buzz though.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on June 21, 2012, 07:43:04 PM
Sweet, I have a little extra space if need be.
FWIW I tried today with only one pedal on one of the eight spots on the furman and two using wall-warts on the Furman, which should be isolated. Didn't change the background buzz though.
Hrmm, it could be that one power out being active that is causing noise?
Yea, I have no idea. The Isobar is cheap enough its worth trying I think - worst comes to worst, I have another surge protector that I think my roommates and I could use.
Honestly my so called crappy SKB-25 does Not get noisy but I haven't compared that to anything. As mentioned I just ordered the Isobar 8. I'll report any improvement.
I bet you wall outlet can make a huge difference. If you have a good source like mine, you don't have to have such a filter. But then I go to a shot bar gig with no true ground which is tube and knob wiring and I'm screwed!
:)
Yea, I live in an older area in Pittsburgh, the houses are kinda only kept up enough to rent and I share the house with 4 apartments. My Tripp Lite voltage regulator / conditioner has only told me there were power issues a few times (when I think to look at it), but I suspect my power is one of the issues with noise - when I bought the Mesa at GC, I had nearly no noise at all and I was running off my Furman.