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Title: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 01, 2012, 06:24:24 PM
I've designed in Photoshop a "Trey-in-a-Box" pedal. Anyone that builds pedals here, has anyone thought of this? I'm going to make a prototype. Here's what the outside looks like (just for an idea). I might actually put "trey in a box" on it or make it original looking. What y'all think?

(http://s10.postimage.org/y7zvvjfjt/Ross_TS_9.png)
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: sour d on August 01, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Good idea. I just noticed you use a ts10 in your rig. Awesome.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 01, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Hell I could extend it a little more and fit a wah on the right side before the tubescreamer. I have a PCB for one that has DIP switches like the Teese. That would be a mean pedal. Then fit a Black Cat Vibe after the comp
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: Heady Jam Fan on August 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
Nice mock up, I have thought about similar things, mostly stemming from the fact I always thought it would sound sweet to run a Fuzz Face in parallel to a TS9, built into a single box and I got to thinking of something like that eventually. I think it is a cool idea, would save power spots, and I find my SRB808 2in1 to be quieter than my Ibanez TS9s. On the other hand, some people (including me) are picky about their pedals and want to hand select them.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 01, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
well i was gonna have a switch on each tubescreamer to be a ts-9, or ts-808 and maybe an IC selector knob between JRC4558D RC4558P and maybe a JRC4558DD. I found the JRC4558DD in a Delay pedal from the '80s and stuck it in my TS-9 and I absolutely love it. It took away all the grainy harshness. Awesome chip. And maybe an attack time on the Ross and the treble/Dynacomp switch
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: Heady Jam Fan on August 01, 2012, 09:28:27 PM
Yea man, sounds cool!

If you are doing it commercially, I think a lot of people would be interested, especially if they want a jam tone and don't have expensive versions of those pedals - if the price is competitive to buying each separately, it seems it would be really convenient. I could see having something like that as a backup, just take that and a delay for a quick gig/practice when it wouldn't make sense to lug my entire board.

That Double D chips is interesting, I don't recall ever hearing of it.

One of the things I was thinking about with something like this was an expression pedal control for the overdrive and a midrange boost for leads (after the comp).

Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: sour d on August 01, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
The double d chips were used in some of the boss overdrives
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: raisingfreen on August 01, 2012, 10:28:19 PM
Good idea....
Visual Sound came out with the original Route 66 that was sorta like this but the comp was always before "single" drive. I would suggest in an effort to appeal to a larger market and thus more customers that you use dip switches so that you could change the order of the effects signal (comp/od or od/comp). For example not everyone likes comp after drive (we do, but not everyone). I always wondered why for instance Analogman has not done this yet. He has the king thingy which has two drives but no comp. I bet it would be two pricy to the consumer. Just what would be attractive price for this?

Maybe if we could all just send in our Ts9s and a comp to be rehoused into one box?
In any case keep up the work and let use know what it will cost to buy one. I would be interested. I don't want it to say "Trey in a box" however (metaphorically this is wrong). Maybe just a simple (3) effect pedal in an all grey or black box.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: raisingfreen on August 01, 2012, 11:58:58 PM
I would be curious to know how a 3-in-one pedal such as this would be powered. If all three need at least 9v 60-100ma each to run how to you develop a circuit to run 3 effects from one 9v power supply. Or if all three wanted to see 12v for example how would this be done?
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: fulltone1989 on August 02, 2012, 12:00:09 AM
Is it possible to have an exp in and an AB switch to select between a wah and vibe speed control?

Quote from: raisingfreen on August 01, 2012, 10:28:19 PM
Good idea....
Visual Sound came out with the original Route 66 that was sorta like this but the comp was always before "single" drive. I would suggest in an effort to appeal to a larger market and thus more customers that you use dip switches so that you could change the order of the effects signal (comp/od or od/comp). For example not everyone likes comp after drive (we do, but not everyone). I always wondered why for instance Analogman has not done this yet. He has the king thingy which has two drives but no comp. I bet it would be two pricy to the consumer. Just what would be attractive price for this?

Maybe if we could all just send in our Ts9s and a comp to be rehoused into one box?
In any case keep up the work and let use know what it will cost to buy one. I would be interested. I don't want it to say "Trey in a box" however (metaphorically this is wrong). Maybe just a simple (3) effect pedal in an all grey or black box.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: raisingfreen on August 02, 2012, 12:04:30 AM
Quote from: fulltone1989 on August 02, 2012, 12:00:09 AM
Is it possible to have an exp in and an AB switch to select between a wah and vibe speed control?

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Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: raisingfreen on August 02, 2012, 12:27:33 AM
Quote from: fulltone1989 on August 02, 2012, 12:00:09 AM
Is it possible to have an exp in and an AB switch to select between a wah and vibe speed control?

Ok...Just figured out what you were initially asking. I would guess a wha would need to somehow be able to switch from a wha to a expression pedal. Most times I have seen expression pedal used it is the Dunlop Vibe Expression pedal. Looks like wha but no inputs just a single output to connect to the device and controls either the rate or depth depending on what is selected via the a/b box.

Even if this could be done I would imagine you would want both anyway as the wha has a signal running through it and an expression does not. It appears the new Black Cat Vibe does have a EXP pedal input. I just wish they would build a controlled variable rate Trem the same way or put both in a single box and call it a TremVibe.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 02, 2012, 12:42:27 AM
As far as the power, a simple "one spot" will power it just fine. I've already thought of this. I'm not really exploring over 9v, trying to keep it as simple as possible for a 3in1 effect. I do have it true bypassed also
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 02, 2012, 04:37:15 AM
Here's the wiring
(http://s13.postimage.org/yqmgt8t6f/Wiring.png)
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 02, 2012, 04:40:22 AM
It's in a Hammond 1590D enclosure which is 7.38" x 4.7" x 2.05"
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: fulltone1989 on August 02, 2012, 09:38:01 AM
Quote from: raisingfreen on August 02, 2012, 12:27:33 AM
Quote from: fulltone1989 on August 02, 2012, 12:00:09 AM
Is it possible to have an exp in and an AB switch to select between a wah and vibe speed control?

Ok...Just figured out what you were initially asking. I would guess a wha would need to somehow be able to switch from a wha to a expression pedal. Most times I have seen expression pedal used it is the Dunlop Vibe Expression pedal. Looks like wha but no inputs just a single output to connect to the device and controls either the rate or depth depending on what is selected via the a/b box.

Even if this could be done I would imagine you would want both anyway as the wha has a signal running through it and an expression does not. It appears the new Black Cat Vibe does have a EXP pedal input. I just wish they would build a controlled variable rate Trem the same way or put both in a single box and call it a TremVibe.

That makes sense, I was thinking about it last night and realized it'd be quite a bit of tap dancing too to be able to do what I asked.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 02, 2012, 10:11:10 AM
(http://s14.postimage.org/bljwzq835/Ross_TS_9_2.png)
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: Heady Jam Fan on August 02, 2012, 11:09:08 AM
Lol, thats sweet
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: Happyorange27 on August 02, 2012, 11:12:42 AM
GonePhishing, you are too much dude.  If you need any help on this pedal let me know.  You know I get all up in some pedal building and stuff.  Looks like you already have everything you need though.  Anyway if you need any sources for parts or processing I can help.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: fulltone1989 on August 02, 2012, 05:02:14 PM
Any way to make the silkscreen red? Strawberry blonde?
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: gone phishing on August 02, 2012, 08:24:07 PM
This thing is so sick. Sounds like it would be awesome
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 02, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
Will this do?
(http://s17.postimage.org/4k8ocxcpr/Ross_TS_9_6.png)
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: gone phishing on August 02, 2012, 09:57:02 PM
Jesus that got even crazier ^  so awesome
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 02, 2012, 10:22:00 PM
Wiring update with TS-9/TS-808 toggle
(http://s14.postimage.org/w5cw9k4fl/Wiring_update.png)
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: MomaDan on August 02, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
Very nice man your going all out at thing.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: fulltone1989 on August 03, 2012, 01:11:55 AM
That looks awesome! Keep me up to date on how this is going, quite the idea
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: GonePhishing46 on August 03, 2012, 04:03:52 AM
Yes, help me out. Is the Hammond 1590D the biggest available for guitar pedals? I would really like a little bit bigger of an enclosure. From the one's listed on Hammond's website, seems to be about it without having to use a Looper enclosure. Like a 1590DE or similar might work. I don't really want it deeper than 2" is the thing. Thanks

Quote from: Happyorange27 on August 02, 2012, 11:12:42 AM
GonePhishing, you are too much dude.  If you need any help on this pedal let me know.  You know I get all up in some pedal building and stuff.  Looks like you already have everything you need though.  Anyway if you need any sources for parts or processing I can help.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: snooner on November 15, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
Not sure if this makes a difference, but tone-wise i always put my tubescreamers before compression.  In this config of this pedal would you be distorting a compressed tone?  If so, maybe the ross could go on the other side?  Or all in one box is it more like all at once anyway and not so "signal path-y"?
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: fulltone1989 on November 16, 2012, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: snooner on November 15, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
Not sure if this makes a difference, but tone-wise i always put my tubescreamers before compression.  In this config of this pedal would you be distorting a compressed tone?  If so, maybe the ross could go on the other side?  Or all in one box is it more like all at once anyway and not so "signal path-y"?

Welcome to the club!
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: snooner on November 16, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
Hey thanks!  Been trying to register for a little while, the site must have been experiencing some difficulties.  Walker was super patient with me to try to figure out how to be able to register and post.  I've learned more about how to dial in the elusive holy grail of tones from all of you guys already just from reading the posts here than from any other site out there, and for this I'll be eternally grateful.   
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: Happyorange27 on November 16, 2012, 12:01:00 PM
cool man, that's what we live for around here.  Welcome.
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: Walker done done on November 16, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
Quote from: snooner on November 16, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
Hey thanks!  Been trying to register for a little while, the site must have been experiencing some difficulties.  Walker was super patient with me to try to figure out how to be able to register and post.  I've learned more about how to dial in the elusive holy grail of tones from all of you guys already just from reading the posts here than from any other site out there, and for this I'll be eternally grateful.   

Yeah sorry about that man.  We get literally hundreds of bots that try to register every day and I have to go in and clean them up and try to sort out if someone's real or not.  It's a pain in the ass and unfortuantely some real people get the boot by mistake so I appreciate your patience through it all.  And welcome....glad you're finally here!
Title: Re: Trey In A Box
Post by: Stecks on November 19, 2012, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: GonePhishing46 on August 02, 2012, 04:37:15 AM
Here's the wiring
(http://s13.postimage.org/yqmgt8t6f/Wiring.png)

Awesome job, dude!   I also play a VOX 847, cool stuff...