does anyone else have this pedal, it's driving me nuts. whenever i play alone my timing is really good on it, but recently when i jam with my drummer the loop will not just go out of time but seemingly change the strumming pattern of what i just played. what the hell?!?!
that thing blows. ebay it and get a boomerang +
boomerangs not quite in my price range, i agree that it blows. it blows SO BAD, i just spent a full hour trying to loop franklins tower, i got a perfect loop maybe 6 times. i've heard about midi equipment that will auto synch the loop with drums, what is this equipment and how do i get it!
um that shit sucks too man sorry. any midi anything thats supposed to sync is gonna have some latency issues any make timing anything a bitch or at the least its gonna have cartoon sound quality and they are much more expensive that just get a rang for 300 off ebay
whys the boomerang so good, it still requires exact timing with the pedal doesnt it? i just miserably fail at getting exact timing
its better because the buttons are much easier to use, you dont have to bend over to turn up or down the volume, and it has a reverse button to do all the fun first tube stuff. its a tone sucker though so youve gotta use a true bypass looper with it.
boss r 20 also doesnt require you to bend over (which drives me nuts) to delete loops and suchforth, for a bit cheaper. sorry if it seems i'm being a big jew, i have very little money and am looking for a loop pedal that just doesnt require me to have perfect timing to loop chord progressions
i think it'd be cheaper to buy a rythm player at this stage, but my old rythm player is sitting out till he's good enough to play on the rest of the bands level and i dont wanna completely stop in his absence
well learning how to time loops isnt easy. i spent years getting the hang of my rang, and at this point i can bring it and an my acoustic electric anywhere and just rock the fuck out. my issue with the rc20 is that its good for keyboards and vocals and sampling tv shows for weird jamming live but it sucks compared to my rang for doing crazy guitar trickery. all loopers demand you have decent timing and if not, the reflexes to up latch your stacking on the fly to fix errors you make. but i discovered when i finally got it down i didnt want to use it so much because i was relying on it too much... same thing with the digitech whammy, ive gotten rid of two because ill use it too fucking much.
either way the switches on the rc20 are mickey mouse shit, no way to depend on depressing those clunky chinese switches in time with anybody but yourself. even the giant retarded ones they make with the 20 plastic switches suck balls. try the digitech jam man thats what keller williams uses for his basses.
if you do reccomend the rang so highly... theres one on ebay for $200, i might wait and see if i cant just improve my timing. i dont wanna spend a bunch of money to learn that the problem is me :(
Quote from: \"gratephulphish123\"but my old rythm player is sitting out till he's good enough to play on the rest of the bands level and i dont wanna completely stop in his absence
dude, you should just get the guy stoned, and jam with him for a couple of days and force him to progress. setup a place to play and just go at it for like 14 hours straight if he gets sick of it or lazy kick him out, doing rhythm in a jam band shouldn't be too hard :wink:
well i think about it like this... when i had a shitty yamaha to learn how to play guitar with there became a point when the guitar held me back. that rc20 is a POS IMO so i would argue better looper=more opportunity to master the timing issues
you reason a good game, time to sell some stuff on ebay, dont quit expect the rang to fit on my pedal board but... :lol: heres for hoping
i got this great cheap metal briefcase for mine off ebay for like 30 bucks. its like something from bladerunner and keeps her shiny 8) make sure to use it in the effects loop and you should be good. remember to get a true bypass looper or it will suck your tone
Quote from: \"posternutbag\"dude, you should just get the guy stoned, and jam with him for a couple of days and force him to progress. setup a place to play and just go at it for like 14 hours straight
This is THE BEST advice and really the only worthy post on this thread that I've seen yet, with apologies to all others.
Do your friend a favor. Take a weekend. Saturday with him - Sunday with the band. Or vice-versa, fuck conventionalism.
Question, is the fs5u that trey has labeled once used for his boomerang to do that heavy things harmonic, the one the rythmically runs throughout the main sections of the song?
There is not an input for a tap tempo pedal like he has built in if that is how he does that. Who moded that thing?
Quote from: \"Stiles12\"Question, is the fs5u that trey has labeled once used for his boomerang to do that heavy things harmonic, the one the rythmically runs throughout the main sections of the song?
There is not an input for a tap tempo pedal like he has built in if that is how he does that. Who moded that thing?
The boomerang is what Trey uses to create that beat in Heavy Things. The boomerang also has a button called \"Once\". When you have a loop going you can push the \"Once\" button and the loop will finish it's loop and stop or it will start the loop and play it one time. Brian hot wired the \"once\" function on the circuit board of the boomerang and sent it to the Boss FS-5U momentary switch so Trey can sing and comfortably trigger the boomerang from a singing position instead of a playing position where the boomerang is located on the carpet which is in the best position for playing.
Quote from: \"Stiles12\"Question, is the fs5u that trey has labeled once used for his boomerang to do that heavy things harmonic, the one the rythmically runs throughout the main sections of the song?
There is not an input for a tap tempo pedal like he has built in if that is how he does that. Who moded that thing?
if iam understanding your question correctly, the tap tempo box trey uses during heavy things is NOT used in direct conjunction with the rang. dunlop makes a pretty wide variety of little plastic tap tempo boxes, some can be used as \"once\" switches with stuff like say the DM2000 digi delay rack to engage the effect or disengage it but certainly not used with the boomerang. :)
I know this thread is a bit older, but I thought I would add my 2 cents. I have an RC-20XL pedal. It's fine and easy to use when jamming alone. In a group setting it is TOTALLY FUCKING USELESS!!!! I've noticed there is some delay between stomping on the pedal and the initiation of the loop to start playing. This makes it impossible to cue up a loop in tempo with the rest of band. So it's not just you man.... its the pedal.
t beat in Heavy Things. The boomerang also has a button called \"Once\". When you have a loop going you can push the \"Once\" button and the loop will finish it's loop and stop or it will start the loop and play it one time. Brian hot wired the \"once\" function on the circuit board of the boomerang and sent it to the Boss FS-5U momentary switch so Trey can sing and comfortably trigger the boomerang from a singing position instead of a playing position where the boomerang is located on the carpet which is in the best position for playing.[/quote]
huh, i just saw this strange? i havent seen any weird lines running out of treys rang, do you have any picks of this mod?
Quote from: \"posternutbag\"t beat in Heavy Things. The boomerang also has a button called \"Once\". When you have a loop going you can push the \"Once\" button and the loop will finish it's loop and stop or it will start the loop and play it one time. Brian hot wired the \"once\" function on the circuit board of the boomerang and sent it to the Boss FS-5U momentary switch so Trey can sing and comfortably trigger the boomerang from a singing position instead of a playing position where the boomerang is located on the carpet which is in the best position for playing.
Quotehuh, i just saw this strange? i havent seen any weird lines running out of treys rang, do you have any picks of this mod?
You can see the black cable with the red sleave that goes straight to the board of the boomerang. You can also see the CAE ISO-1 in this pic.
(https://secure.gcwebdesign.net/strangedesign/images/rigs/3/rang.jpg)
hmm i wonder if thats how trey can loop a pitch bend so easily? its harder than it looks to get the timing right if you have to move your foot far from one to the other?
I still wonder how he is looping the pitch bend but I don't think he can do that from the remote \"Once\" button. I'm pretty sure all he can do is play a loop once or stop it. Same functions the Once button has on the boomerang
well ill tell you strange Ive looked hard an long at the pitch bend mystery. from all the tape ive seen right when trey got his whammy + rang in about 97? 98? treys ability to pull of good loops gets better and better over time. in that ghost video I posted in the audio/video section you can clearly hear trey fuck that pitch bend up with a clicking noise and that was 98 i believe. now fast forward to say IT, and in all the videos where trey does a pitch bend its like the record button gets hit the moment he starts the bend and ends as soon as he depresses the whammy all the way down (or up)? you just know something is up in the mix there. i mean how does he click his true bypass looper, hit the record button, turn on the whammy, hit the record button again all half fucked up without going out of time?
Trey is a Jedi. That's the only way he can possible do this. ;)
This might be a good question for Brian. Because Trey does it sooooo much, I;m sure Brian knows how he does it.
we need to get one of those \"vacuu-brain suck\" things the aliens have in the simpsons, so we can take all of brian's knowledge....
LOL, no shit!