Some will no doubt see this as just some guy sounding like Trey. I just see it as someone who really understands what he's doing, and you can hear how much this sets him apart from mere imitators.
http://theartoftrey.blogspot.com/2010/07/lesson-3.html
Quote from: cactuskeeb on October 06, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
Some will no doubt see this as just some guy sounding like Trey. I just see it as someone who really understands what he's doing, and you can hear how much this sets him apart from mere imitators.
http://theartoftrey.blogspot.com/2010/07/lesson-3.html
i've been watching these for awhile now....he's great
Thats just a guy that sounds like Trey!
just kidding, even though thats the ultimate compliment. Those videos are great
best videos for this type of playing online aside from the genuine article himself
this is a good one too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYWSTuxmOs4
Cactus, thanks for sharing this link. I'm trying to learn new licks and techniques and this is a great resource to check out. Props.
Picture, thanks for that one too. I checked it out about a year ago. Great stuff fo sho.
I think the key to playing chromatic runs is that you have to hit those "out of scale" notes really fast so they are barely detected. Like 16ths. I think that's characterstic of Treys older style of playing where as now he stays more within the scale and lets notes hang longer and plays less of them...more musically tastefull to my ear. I know lots of folks miss the machine gun style.
Quote from: picture_of_nectar on October 07, 2010, 12:42:28 PM
I think the key to playing chromatic runs is that you have to hit those "out of scale" notes really fast so they are barely detected. Like 16ths. I think that's characterstic of Treys older style of playing where as now he stays more within the scale and lets notes hang longer and plays less of them...more musically tastefull to my ear. I know lots of folks miss the machine gun style.
Good call. I'm trying to get outside of the scale because it's so predictable. I'm trying to use bigger interval leaps. What i really want to be able to do is skip around so that it sounds unpredictable and bad ass but still musical. You know what I mean (machine gun style). I think that is the magical part; when you hear a sweet lick and you just can't transpose it in your head because it was slipping and folding in on itself. That's what I want to learn.
Quote from: Happyorange27 on October 07, 2010, 12:53:47 PM
I'm trying to use bigger interval leaps.
this is exactly what i am working on
I've been practicing the scale patterns in thirds. It's a great excersise and takes some dedication. 4ths sounds even tougher.
Quote from: picture_of_nectar on October 07, 2010, 01:40:39 PM
I've been practicing the scale patterns in thirds. It's a great excersise and takes some dedication. 4ths sounds even tougher.
Do you mean playing each 3rd note in the scale? Yup, that is tough. Takes a LOT of practice, messing up, starting over, shifting your ass on the chair so it doesn't go numb, etc. lol
I need to get back to more digging in like this - THIS is the stuff that really pays off when you least expect it.
Quote from: Walker done done on October 07, 2010, 04:03:24 PM
Quote from: picture_of_nectar on October 07, 2010, 01:40:39 PM
I've been practicing the scale patterns in thirds. It's a great excersise and takes some dedication. 4ths sounds even tougher.
Do you mean playing each 3rd note in the scale? Yup, that is tough. Takes a LOT of practice, messing up, starting over, shifting your ass on the chair so it doesn't go numb, etc. lol
I need to get back to more digging in like this - THIS is the stuff that really pays off when you least expect it.
mmm, when i "play in thirds" i usually just walk up three notes in the scale, then backstep one, then three, then backstep one.
for example if i was doing major scale: 1,2,3,2,3,4,3,4,5,4,5,6,5,6,7,6,7,1
great way to move around....gets a little redundant though if you do it a lot (like i do)
Yes, playing every third note in the scale, up and down. In all 5 positions. Pretty tough to do fast....
Not the same as the exercise you are describing patrick, but that is a good one too.
Yeah what Patrick is describing I more think of as a dexterity exercise in triplets up and down.. I like to do that in all kinds of groupings.. 3, 4, 5, etc.. and through all the modes and even groupings of chromatic stuff.
PON you mean this right? 1324354657 etc...
Basically what this guy is doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiiNn20ig6Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiiNn20ig6Q)
Yeah I kind of forgot about the return to the note you skipped part.
I like all these exercises, especially the skipping 3rds one.
FYI, it seems the video (lesson 3) no longer plays on the blog. However, it seems he just recently posted it on his youtube channel, where you can find all of his videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mikeshubin
Quote from: cactuskeeb on October 09, 2010, 08:21:55 PM
FYI, it seems the video (lesson 3) no longer plays on the blog. However, it seems he just recently posted it on his youtube channel, where you can find all of his videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mikeshubin
Weird coincidence. I'm watching the video on the blog and your reply above notifies me via email. Anyway, it's working for me on the blog but thanks for the link anyway. I'm kind of fascinated with these little tid bits. Cactus, you are a cool cat by the way.
some good practice if you want to practice patterns with bigger leaps:
After getting past the first octave I am referring to the extensions of the notes, hence, 2nd scale tone =9, 4th = 11, and 6th=13
3rds:R,3,2,4,3,5,4,6,5,7,6,1,7,9,1,3,9,11....
4ths: R,4,2,5,3,6,4,7,5,1,6,9,7,3,R,11...
5ths: R,5,2,6,3,7,4,R,5,9,6,3,7,11,R,5...
6ths: R,6,2,7,3,R,4,9,5,3,6,11,7,5,R,13...
7ths: R,7,2,R,3,9,4,3,5,11,6,5,7,6,R,7...
Also with pattern that Patrick was mentioning 1,2,3,2,3,4,3,4,5,4,5,6,5,6,7,6,7,8... Practice this as 1/8, triplets, & 16th notes. The cool sounding one is doing it in 16th notes in 4/4 time. Or do runs of 4 (1,2,3,4,2,3,4,5,3,4,5,6,4,5,6,7,5,6,7,8,6,7,1,2,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4...) practice in 1/8ths, triplets &16th notes. This pattern sounds really cool in triplets over 4/4 time. Use a metronome so you can really hear the difference.
Anyway, this stuff is tedious but they are great exercises to be able to get through. I wouldn't draw on it too much when improvising, but it sure sounds cool to pull off some of the ideas that involve them every once in a little while in little spurts.
Check out Jimmy Herring's "Jam Session" guitar videos, he's all about intervallic study and has a really great warm-up tool as one video. You can get the music in the guitar world magazine's his column was in. More importantly, Jimmy does a lot of master class, which are always video-taped, so check them out! Also, use a metronome with those studies!
Quote from: tomasmaclennan on January 13, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
Check out Jimmy Herring's "Jam Session" guitar videos, he's all about intervallic study and has a really great warm-up tool as one video. You can get the music in the guitar world magazine's his column was in. More importantly, Jimmy does a lot of master class, which are always video-taped, so check them out! Also, use a metronome with those studies!
I appreciate the suggestion, but will not be doing this. Jimmy Herring is the musical equivolent of blue balls, and I don't want to do to people what he does to me. :D ;D
There's a Jimmy Herring "Jam Session" article that cover's this in GW, I can scan it for interested parties.
Yup Jimmy is a fantastic guitar instructor/player/all around nice person. You can only learn from supernatural beings like that.