Does anyone have any idea what Trey was playing for the Story of the Ghost Limb By Limb? It's my favorite Trey tone, both clean and lead. I realize it's studio and may have more going on than just his live rig and even may have a totally different setup for clean vs. lead. But any insight would be appreciated.
Quote from: Jkendrick on May 15, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Does anyone have any idea what Trey was playing for the Story of the Ghost Limb By Limb? It's my favorite Trey tone, both clean and lead. I realize it's studio and may have more going on than just his live rig and even may have a totally different setup for clean vs. lead. But any insight would be appreciated.
From what I've read, he used his Ibanez MC 150 on it, rather than a Doc.
Do you think it's the Boogie, the Fender, or something else?
I'm actually fairly certain that is the Deluxe Reverb with Vibrato and Reverb on. And i was fairly certain it was the Languedoc, so its interesting someone heard elsewhere that it was the Ibanez. I could be wrong on the Languedoc, its only from my ear, so would love to hear the source.
Does it sound like a Languedoc to others? I have that combo and i think it nails the clean tone, but maybe there is another way to get it.
Clean tone sounds like Languedoc into a Fender DR and obviously compressed imo.
Lead tone is just a tube screamer imo.
Yeah, i really think that is right. Languedoc, compressor, and reverb/vibrato w/ DR. Lead is definitely just the tube screamer.
This site needs to get an insider to participate regularly for all these weighty issues. I actually don't think it would be all that hard.
And for what its worth, the Vibrato on a blackface deluxe is unreal. Its an incredible sound that you cannot get elsewhere. Worth the price of the amp alone, so much depth. The sound is bliss. Especially w/ a Ross and languedoc.
For those of you saying "Blackface Deluxe" are you strictly referring to the original or do you think you can get close with the RI with say new speakers and tubes. I'm just starting to think about a new amp but don't want to break the bank.
I meant blackface as in the 64-67ish DR's. The ones with the ab763 circuit.
I don't think the RI really sound the same at all. And they lose their value pretty quickly. The old ones are expensive but sound way better, more depth/rounder natural compression. And they don't lose value. But they'll cost you up front.
I think if it's possible to spare the money up front the blackface amps are the better investment. If money is tight, then the silverfaces are the next best option and really solid. The newer RI aren't really the same and can sound a bit thin and brittle. Totally different components and circuit (and sound). I think if they didn't have the name no one would even consider them to be the same amp.
I agree - I had a Twin Reverb RI - got a DRRI to have more breakup and did not like it at all - thin, brittle, trebly - purchased a Vintage Sound Vintage 22 (blackface circuits) and it smokes all of them hands down! Couldn't be happier - so dynamic, compressive, good reverb and trem!
I'd suggest Silverface. I have one myself ;)
Especially for the smaller amps, not much, if anything, changed between Blackface and Silverface. The BF is pretty price - to the point where I wouldn't want to bring it out of my house personally. The SF, however, is affordable, but I think they will start to go up in value as the BF's start to become more rare and expensive.
I also love the sound of the tremolo, but I don't use it too often. Mostly for a 'chopper' effect on sustain or something. I plugged the trem footswitch jack, so the effect is always on, but not noticeable until I turn up the intensity. I've thought about leaving the knob up a bit higher on the reg, just for a bit of texture.
Speaking of cleans, I've been flip flopping how I get my clean tone: TS9 with my volume rolled back, just the compressor, a clean midboost pedal (EQ or I might play with modding a TS to be louder and cleaner)... Trey's clean is hard to cop (not that I am trying to cop it exactly, but rather learn from it): sometimes its very clean, other times a bit of grit and I wonder if he keeps his DR a bit overdriven, or if the grit is always from a TS (or, in other words, whether a TS is on).
Where do you all find these vintage amps? Craigslist, Reverb, TGP? Would I be looking at about $1000 for a Silverface? I hate the idea of buying an amp without the ability to play it first and it seems I could be waiting a while if I were to wait for one to go up for sale locally. I like the sounds of the Vintage Sound stuff, but I'm hoping I can pay for the amp with the sale of both my UniValve and Blues Jr., though that likely wouldn't even get me all the way there for the Silverface let alone a Vintage Sound.
There are always a few Silverface Fenders for sale in Pittsburgh, Deluxes come up pretty often. I keep my eye on Craigslist and local guitar shops. I've seen them lately from $900 to $1200. $900 means they have some mods, replacements parts, or cosmetic issues. $1200 should be ready to play and probably checked by a technician recently, fairly original...
Quote from: No Nice Guy on May 16, 2014, 01:04:56 AM
Quote from: Jkendrick on May 15, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Does anyone have any idea what Trey was playing for the Story of the Ghost Limb By Limb? It's my favorite Trey tone, both clean and lead. I realize it's studio and may have more going on than just his live rig and even may have a totally different setup for clean vs. lead. But any insight would be appreciated.
From what I've read, he used his Ibanez MC 150 on it, rather than a Doc.
This was on the web awhile back, I do remember reading it and thought "hmm...."
Who knows if it's fact though? Anything is possible I guess. Great tone regaurdless :)
I'm going out on a limb here but that clean, textured sound in the begining of limb is Trey on his middle pickup setting, single coil split, and remember that DR had the mid mod, so you should get an EQ pedal with a nice hump with the apex at about 800Hz. Try that and call me in the moring.
Quote from: Happyorange27 on May 19, 2014, 03:39:58 PM
I'm going out on a limb here
I see what you did there...
Quote from: Happyorange27 on May 19, 2014, 03:39:58 PM
I'm going out on a limb here but that clean, textured sound in the begining of limb is Trey on his middle pickup setting, single coil split, and remember that DR had the mid mod, so you should get an EQ pedal with a nice hump with the apex at about 800Hz. Try that and call me in the moring.
Happy, when you say mid-boost EQ, do you mean without a TS, or in addition to a TS?
I use the in-between setting and coil-tap a lot:
1) volume up>modulation>TS9 = Hendrix (Wind Cries Mary)
2) volume down>TS9 = spanky Trey clean
3) volume up without a TS9 (I was using a PQ9 with the mid frequency set between 6-800) = Knopfler or 80's/90's Dead
I just sold my PQ9 though, went back to rolling back my guitar's volume knob to clean up the lower-gain TS9. Replacing the PQ9 with a Dunlop GCB95 Crybaby Wah: for about a decade+ and stupidly sold it about 4 years ago for a 535Q, which SUCKED. Sold that for a pre-Peavey Budwah. Sold that for a Teese RMC3. Sold that to go Wahless. I thought about getting an AMT Japanese Girl Wah since they are small (like Japanese Girls), or a CAE MC404 cuz I trust Happy's opinion of his, but decided $45 for a nearly-new GCB95 is ideal for me. Tried and true.
I've heard Trey play the intro to limb clean and with mild ts9. I do the same depending on my fancy at the time. Both sound good.
I use my split single coil sound more and more. I usually start most songs in single coil and less than half volume on guitar. I like being able to have room to grow in a song. I'll kick on some humbucker for a solo. The more you switch, the more it becomes obvious that they are quite unique tones.
As for the MC-404, I love it. It's like two wahs in one. Inductors obviously have very unique sounds. I tried for over a year to get my Hendrix Wah to sound warm with my Whipple inductor by modding everything but the inductor. Should have just swapped inductors first. Now I have a bright 70's Shaft sound and a deep Alice in Chains sound with the flip of a side button.
Heady, is the GCB95 new? Because the first pedal I ever bought back in '05 was a GCB95 and it totally robbed the tone from me... didn't buy a pedal until almost 7 years later. Got a silver modded OD9 just a couple weeks after Super Ball.
Ok with all this Limb by Limb talk - can someone post a video on how to play it rhythmically? I got the chords from Emils tab - buy having a hard time getting the rhythm down. And post the chords how you all play it?
Thanks!!
Quote from: tsbot on May 19, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
Ok with all this Limb by Limb talk - can someone post a video on how to play it rhythmically? I got the chords from Emils tab - buy having a hard time getting the rhythm down. And post the chords how you all play it?
Thanks!!
Here's how I figure out rhythms:
Listen to the song, and play along, but only use your strumming hand and mute all the strings. Just pick until you figure out the rhythm. It's how I finally figured out Weekapaug after trying to get it right for months.
Quote from: No Nice Guy on May 19, 2014, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: tsbot on May 19, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
Ok with all this Limb by Limb talk - can someone post a video on how to play it rhythmically? I got the chords from Emils tab - buy having a hard time getting the rhythm down. And post the chords how you all play it?
Thanks!!
Here's how I figure out rhythms:
Listen to the song, and play along, but only use your strumming hand and mute all the strings. Just pick until you figure out the rhythm. It's how I finally figured out Weekapaug after trying to get it right for months.
Cool never tried to that way! I will!
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on May 19, 2014, 10:17:20 PM
Heady, is the GCB95 new? Because the first pedal I ever bought back in '05 was a GCB95 and it totally robbed the tone from me... didn't buy a pedal until almost 7 years later. Got a silver modded OD9 just a couple weeks after Super Ball.
I bought it used, but nearly new. The last one I had I bought new in the 90's (same guitar shop).
I had it in my rig last night at band practice before (not in) my TB looper. In the mix and with my earplugs I didn't notice "tone suck." Trey's is not in a loop either I don't think. However, I plan on moving stuff around on my board and putting it in a TB loop.
Not sure if I will keep it. I didn't use it much last night, but my bandmates liked it when I was noodling before practice. It felt a little on the bright side, but I had my treble up a bit last night and I probably just have to learn to keep it a little closer to the heel down position.
If we're talking technique, I've always loved this riff from the solo. I've figured out how to play it a few different ways, but this is the easiest for my fingers. I've got a GP too, but I don't see a way to add attachments. It's just a simple arpeggio thing. I've been trying to use these types of arpeggio licks more often though. Helps keep thinking chords rather than scales.
https://soundcloud.com/jim-kendrick/lxl (https://soundcloud.com/jim-kendrick/lxl)
E |-----------9>----------------11>---------11----11---|
B |--------9-----11-9-----11-13----13-11-13----13------|
G |-----10-------------12------------------------------|
D |--11------------------------------------------------|
A |----------------------------------------------------|
E |----------------------------------------------------|
--15>17----------------------------------13---------|-------||
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Back to tone, to me the lead tone just sounds rounder, smoother, less gainy than his usual tone. Maybe it's the studio, but it's unlike his tone on other SotG tunes. On other tunes it sounds more typical Trey. Like many of you, I like Trey's tone and think it's a good jumping off point. But his typical tone is not what I want. I want this tone.
Quote from: tsbot on May 19, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
Ok with all this Limb by Limb talk - can someone post a video on how to play it rhythmically? I got the chords from Emils tab - buy having a hard time getting the rhythm down. And post the chords how you all play it?
Thanks!!
I may be able to do a video for ya, just need to figure out how to record and post it. I have a video camera on my computer so there must be a way....
Quote from: Walker done done on May 21, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: tsbot on May 19, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
Ok with all this Limb by Limb talk - can someone post a video on how to play it rhythmically? I got the chords from Emils tab - buy having a hard time getting the rhythm down. And post the chords how you all play it?
Thanks!!
I may be able to do a video for ya, just need to figure out how to record and post it. I have a video camera on my computer so there must be a way....
That would be awesome!
See if this works:
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/shakedown_04092/th_WIN_20140523_133850.jpg) (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/shakedown_04092/WIN_20140523_133850.mp4)
Dude thanks! Disregard the other thread for my request haha!
I've always liked this YEM. I think it's dismissed because the jam is only a few minutes long. But I think it is totally different from a lot of stuff they usually play. I personally like jams where Trey leads and the band picks up on what he's doing. It's generally much more melodic to me. Anyway, what's going on with his tone here? It's not his usual tone is it?
https://soundcloud.com/jim-kendrick/you-enjoy-myself-solo-1991-05-03
Anyone?
BTW, I changed the title of this thread as it seems to better represent the conversation at this point.
I heard a difference in his tone last night for a very short segment...it sounded similar to the earth vibe he used for limb by limb at Chaifetz a year or 2 ago....I was streaming the webcast last night, but it did not show his pedals, so i can't say if his board was different.
EDIT: Earth DRIVE not vibe..
That's a good point - his pedals did seem like a different arraignment. On Facebook Phish they posted last nights Fuego and do a quick shot of his Whammy during the jam - the pedals seem set up a bit different - which I can believe b/c of all his new additions and arrangements.
Thoughts?
So yea.... even though Trey has the Mesa in the 'on' positions, the light still appears to be off. I guess he's been EQing the Bogner much more carefully this tour.
Pretty sure he is only using the Mesa, even if you can't see the light. It sounds like the Mesa and the Mesa has cables into it and the switches are all in the on position. I didn't think I saw any cables going into the bogner and didn't see a light on the bogner. He also didn't have the bogner at all on Fallon, so I'm pretty sure he's switched back to the Mesa full time, smart choice sounds a Lot better.
Quote from: Hoody on July 22, 2014, 08:12:55 AM
Pretty sure he is only using the Mesa, even if you can't see the light. It sounds like the Mesa and the Mesa has cables into it and the switches are all in the on position. I didn't think I saw any cables going into the bogner and didn't see a light on the bogner. He also didn't have the bogner at all on Fallon, so I'm pretty sure he's switched back to the Mesa full time, smart choice sounds a Lot better.
He's absolutely only using the Mesas. I was on the rail for Randall's n3, and the Shiva wasn't plugged in while the Mesa were.
Well that's good to hear..... I hate that fucking Bogner. lol
Why in the wide world of sports you kids have not gotten into having cloned amps built is beyond me. You can literally build just about any of those vintage circuits for a couple hundred dollars. I recommend trying a couple of blackface mid 60's circuits, then expand into some tweed stuff, maybe even some kt66 powered fender circuits. Hell a fender band master is a mighty hammer of tone. Just because trey didnt use that amp or this amp, you can start to learn how to pull those epic tones off. Most of the time a great amp is just a slightly modified version of a classic vintage circuit anyway. So if you literally take the time to play every pickup position with each amp, youll start to hear how they relate to one another, which has huge humps in the EQ, head room, breakup etc etc etc.
Come on boys and girls. Grow a pair. Trey and Brian have all the time in the world to order whatever, and fuck with it. Then they shape that signal through the enormous PA. So yeah lets do this! Take yourself to guitar center and bring a pad of paper. Or get a trio of amps made and see which ones rocks.
Dont be a fucking pussy!
Love you guys
That, is, a derailment. Clones are cool. My Fuchs is an improvement (IMHO) on the original, a clone I guess in the sense of a really close amp lineage but there's different stuff going on than a 100% Dumble ODS clone.
well there only clones of particular dumbles. all the ODS were different, based on who he was making it for... Ive found the best dumble esc stuff comes from the redplate OD stuff. and not a derailment at all if you consider the constant changes in gear for red, and the kinda mindless reactions in regard to why he using what, when, and how. Kimock is a great resource to learning about amp swap etc in smaller spaces
Trey should leave the Languedoc cabinets on the truck on some random night and rent a couple 4x12's.... would love to see people's reactions! I know he used the Bruno cab, but a full stack would be funny.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z78/sereantpepper/Mark3fullstack.jpg)
Quote from: Poster on July 26, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
well there only clones of particular dumbles. all the ODS were different, based on who he was making it for... Ive found the best dumble esc stuff comes from the redplate OD stuff. and not a derailment at all if you consider the constant changes in gear for red, and the kinda mindless reactions in regard to why he using what, when, and how. Kimock is a great resource to learning about amp swap etc in smaller spaces
Yeah it's not like each ODS' are radically different from one another though, the ODR and SSS yes. I was talking about that style of amp in generalYeah redplates sound cool but when I played a MDD it was just too buzzy but that could be other stuff going on. Would be interested to try his new ODS style model.
Trey has two Boogie heads where the Bogner combo was... YAY no more Bogner!
I just blackfaced my Deluxe Reverb - sounds much better to me!
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on August 30, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
I just blackfaced my Deluxe Reverb - sounds much better to me!
Nice, but what does that have to do with Trey's rig? lol
Quote from: Down_With_Sco on August 30, 2014, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on August 30, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
I just blackfaced my Deluxe Reverb - sounds much better to me!
Nice, but what does that have to do with Trey's rig? lol
His Deluxe is Blackface.
On an unrelated note, were the Brownface Fenders closer to Tweeds or the Blackface era of amps? I really want to built a Mojotone Tweed Champ kit.
Is trey really using the mesa instead of the bogner? Any evidence?
Quote from: express50express on September 01, 2014, 08:23:52 AM
Is trey really using the mesa instead of the bogner? Any evidence?
Dicks pics.
Quote from: express50express on September 01, 2014, 08:23:52 AM
Is trey really using the mesa instead of the bogner? Any evidence?
I was incredibly close to the stage all 3 nights of Randall's, had a clear head for most of it, and yeah the Bogner wasn't plugged in, but the Boogie was.
Was it just me, or did I notice 2 boogies in Colorado?
Also, just wanted to note that Trey has really been diggin the new vibe. Almost crutching it like he did with the whammy last year.
Quote from: dontpanic on September 05, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
Was it just me, or did I notice 2 boogies in Colorado?
Also, just wanted to note that Trey has really been diggin the new vibe. Almost crutching it like he did with the whammy last year.
Yea, I mentioned that on page 3. Glad he took out the Bogner... I like that Trey is using the vibe more too, even if it is no different from the BCV.
What's the new vibe?
I feel like the vibe tone definitely stands out to me more than the black cat. In side by side comparisons there is hardly a difference, but I definitely notice a different texture since this summer. Diggin it!
Quote from: dontpanic on September 06, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
I feel like the vibe tone definitely stands out to me more than the black cat. In side by side comparisons there is hardly a difference, but I definitely notice a different texture since this summer. Diggin it!
Dude they both have volume knobs... ones probably just set slightly higher.