Hey all,
Anyone here interested in GD50? I know people had a lot of mixed feelings about the box set, the cost, how it was marketed. Not interested in that discussion - I still want the music! Anastasio playing the dead? Hell yeah.
I sold my late 80's / early 90's Dead CD collection to pay for the Box Set when the website said only a limited number of box sets would be sold - not other medium. Now I see my box set still hasn't shipped and they have digital downloads. My plan had been to rip the cds and sell the box set anyway. What are you guys going? I just want to listen to it in high quality (the non-official copies floating around out there only sound okay).
I'll look for a download somewhere if I can find one eventually.
The guys at Airshow mastered it, so I'm curious to hear it. They do good work. The mix on the streams was terrible, so I'm hopeful this will be much better. I wasn't super impressed watching the streams, but perhaps my opinion will change after hearing a better mix. Those in attendance say the mix was much better in person and many of them thought the shows were great.
I was at the SC shows and the live audio from night 2 was definitely better than night 1. You could tell they were working it out on the go. Still sounded great and those memories will never leave me!
I run a couple of 'underground' music trading 'sites' (calling them their own website is kinda an exaggeration...) but it was orignially created for GD SBD's, so FTW shit will be posted there soon.
I'll get you a link as soon as I find one.
Nice I'd love to have that too, but please make sure to PM them and not post the links here (I'm sure you already know that, just making sure)
Great!
I tried to cancel my order with Dead.net this weekend. Since they missed the deadline (no pun intended) and then posted the digital version after indicating this audio would only be available in box sets, I figured its pretty fair to cancel last minute. I just got an emailing say it shipped, but Fedex doesn't have the box yet, so I emailed them again asking them to cancel the order.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on November 23, 2015, 12:58:56 PM
Great!
I tried to cancel my order with Dead.net this weekend. Since they missed the deadline (no pun intended) and then posted the digital version after indicating this audio would only be available in box sets, I figured its pretty fair to cancel last minute. I just got an emailing say it shipped, but Fedex doesn't have the box yet, so I emailed them again asking them to cancel the order.
Ah the old bait & switch. Shame on the GD for pulling stunts like that.
Quote from: Walker done done on November 23, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on November 23, 2015, 12:58:56 PM
Great!
I tried to cancel my order with Dead.net this weekend. Since they missed the deadline (no pun intended) and then posted the digital version after indicating this audio would only be available in box sets, I figured its pretty fair to cancel last minute. I just got an emailing say it shipped, but Fedex doesn't have the box yet, so I emailed them again asking them to cancel the order.
Ah the old bait & switch. Shame on the GD for pulling stunts like that.
Yep! Everywhere I looked, the only info I could find was that if you wanted all the music, you had to buy the box set - it wouldn't be available in other formats or separate CD's. Still haven't heard back from them.
PS - No Nice Guy, do you mean the final edited/mastered versions from Dead.net?
Well. Dead.net said they will not cancel the order once processed - I can return it, but they will not refund the shipping. Wonderful - there goes my excitement about this! Now I have to decide whether to just accept that, or refuse the shipment and argue to get my shipping costs back.
They did that with Spring 1990, Europe 72 box, and May 1977. If you end up disputing the charge and not getting the music I can send you the FTW shows, and the aforementioned boxes
Quote from: Buffered on November 24, 2015, 12:30:07 PM
They did that with Spring 1990, Europe 72 box, and May 1977. If you end up disputing the charge and not getting the music I can send you the FTW shows, and the aforementioned boxes
I have '90 and '72 - great albums! I like those late 80's and early 90's ones - jammy and good tone.
You guys have have FTW - is that the final, mastered ones from rhino/dead.net?
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on November 25, 2015, 06:54:26 AM
Quote from: Buffered on November 24, 2015, 12:30:07 PM
They did that with Spring 1990, Europe 72 box, and May 1977. If you end up disputing the charge and not getting the music I can send you the FTW shows, and the aforementioned boxes
I have '90 and '72 - great albums! I like those late 80's and early 90's ones - jammy and good tone.
You guys have have FTW - is that the final, mastered ones from rhino/dead.net?
Yeah, I got busy with something and forgot to ask on my pages, I just posted to a couple of em. I was asked not to share the links for them but the 30 Trips box is really quality, amazing mastering. I'm also happy my favourite show (Lindley Meadows) got a release
Quote from: No Nice Guy on November 26, 2015, 12:20:39 AM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on November 25, 2015, 06:54:26 AM
Quote from: Buffered on November 24, 2015, 12:30:07 PM
They did that with Spring 1990, Europe 72 box, and May 1977. If you end up disputing the charge and not getting the music I can send you the FTW shows, and the aforementioned boxes
I have '90 and '72 - great albums! I like those late 80's and early 90's ones - jammy and good tone.
You guys have have FTW - is that the final, mastered ones from rhino/dead.net?
It looks like the legit one to me, with the same artwork but anybody could add that. I think it sounds good. The Europe 72' box is their April-May 1972 tour, my favorite era I think. Spotify actually has a bunch of those shows available too interestingly enough.
I always re-uploaded under a different link once I would DL content, you could do that and still be a NiceGuy!
Quote from: Buffered on November 28, 2015, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: No Nice Guy on November 26, 2015, 12:20:39 AM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on November 25, 2015, 06:54:26 AM
Quote from: Buffered on November 24, 2015, 12:30:07 PM
They did that with Spring 1990, Europe 72 box, and May 1977. If you end up disputing the charge and not getting the music I can send you the FTW shows, and the aforementioned boxes
I have '90 and '72 - great albums! I like those late 80's and early 90's ones - jammy and good tone.
You guys have have FTW - is that the final, mastered ones from rhino/dead.net?
It looks like the legit one to me, with the same artwork but anybody could add that. I think it sounds good. The Europe 72' box is their April-May 1972 tour, my favorite era I think. Spotify actually has a bunch of those shows available too interestingly enough.
I always re-uploaded under a different link once I would DL content, you could do that and still be a NiceGuy!
The box set arrived today. Ok - its pretty cool!
I have something, blow up my inbox if you want it
Quote from: No Nice Guy on December 02, 2015, 01:57:26 PM
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I ripped the CD's to my computer and been listening through it a lot, mostly in my car. It sounds pretty good.
Trey does a nice job at not selling out stylistically while still paying respect to Jerry IMO. I can hear both of them in his playing: sometimes an integration, sometimes I hear Trey and other times I find myself forgetting I'm not listening just listening to the Dead.
His tone is also interesting. I would also call that a fusion between Trey and Garcia in attempt to pay tribute to the man and the band. Changing the pickups and speakers makes a big difference. Its a much more open, less pressured (compressed and singing) tone. Better for that laid-back meandering Jerry is known for, but not as good for Trey's powerful rock licks (or "The Note"). I thought the tone was good, but I prefer either Trey's normal tone or Garcia's tone later in his career. I thought Weir sounded great though! That crisp strat tone that would make your ears bleed if you sat right in front of the speaker sits perfectly in the mix; pretty scooped while Trey was much warmer sounding, filling in that gap.
I also enjoyed the panning. Completely opposite panning scheme in Dead recordings compared to Phish recordings! Trey's guitar was always made to sound huge. On Junta, his tracks were duplicated and delayed on one side. Eventually, he used two mics on the same speaker hard panned, and certain chords were accented with double-tracking (they blend really well - can be hard to hear!). Even live, Trey used the two mics for a wider sound and usually one panned left, one right, but equal in volume, which leaves the listener perceiving Trey's sound as wide, but centered. Around 2011, while still micingt his amp with two mics, Trey was panned slightly to one side and Page to the other. This was a less full sound, but more clarity and separation between the instruments; you could hear how Trey was listening to Page through his solos and picking up Page's phrasing - something Weir and Garcia were well known to do. The Dead never seemed to focus on a "big" "wide" sound; each instrument was panned to its own space. That is also what I hear in FTW. The only critique I had of that, was I would have considered swapping Trey and Weir's panning position; Trey was pretty far left and Weir was slightly right of center. I kinda like leads to be fairly center-panned, while Weir's rhythm might have sat nicely a little more off center (to leave space between him and Trey), and balanced by keys on the other side.
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Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on December 02, 2015, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: No Nice Guy on December 02, 2015, 01:57:26 PM
I have something, blow up my inbox if you want it
I ripped the CD's to my computer and been listening through it a lot, mostly in my car. It sounds pretty good.
Trey does a nice job at not selling out stylistically while still paying respect to Jerry IMO. I can hear both of them in his playing: sometimes an integration, sometimes I hear Trey and other times I find myself forgetting I'm not listening just listening to the Dead.
His tone is also interesting. I would also call that a fusion between Trey and Garcia in attempt to pay tribute to the man and the band. Changing the pickups and speakers makes a big difference. Its a much more open, less pressured (compressed and singing) tone. Better for that laid-back meandering Jerry is known for, but not as good for Trey's powerful rock licks (or "The Note"). I thought the tone was good, but I prefer either Trey's normal tone or Garcia's tone later in his career. I thought Weir sounded great though! That crisp strat tone that would make your ears bleed if you sat right in front of the speaker sits perfectly in the mix; pretty scooped while Trey was much warmer sounding, filling in that gap.
I also enjoyed the panning. Completely opposite panning scheme in Dead recordings compared to Phish recordings! Trey's guitar was always made to sound huge. On Junta, his tracks were duplicated and delayed on one side. Eventually, he used two mics on the same speaker hard panned, and certain chords were accented with double-tracking (they blend really well - can be hard to hear!). Even live, Trey used the two mics for a wider sound and usually one panned left, one right, but equal in volume, which leaves the listener perceiving Trey's sound as wide, but centered. Around 2011, while still micingt his amp with two mics, Trey was panned slightly to one side and Page to the other. This was a less full sound, but more clarity and separation between the instruments; you could hear how Trey was listening to Page through his solos and picking up Page's phrasing - something Weir and Garcia were well known to do. The Dead never seemed to focus on a "big" "wide" sound; each instrument was panned to its own space. That is also what I hear in FTW. The only critique I had of that, was I would have considered swapping Trey and Weir's panning position; Trey was pretty far left and Weir was slightly right of center. I kinda like leads to be fairly center-panned, while Weir's rhythm might have sat nicely a little more off center (to leave space between him and Trey), and balanced by keys on the other side.
I can't say I'm a fan of the mix. Seems very heavy on the core four and Trey and the keys seem totally buried.
Quote from: Jkendrick on December 15, 2015, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on December 02, 2015, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: No Nice Guy on December 02, 2015, 01:57:26 PM
I have something, blow up my inbox if you want it
I ripped the CD's to my computer and been listening through it a lot, mostly in my car. It sounds pretty good.
Trey does a nice job at not selling out stylistically while still paying respect to Jerry IMO. I can hear both of them in his playing: sometimes an integration, sometimes I hear Trey and other times I find myself forgetting I'm not listening just listening to the Dead.
His tone is also interesting. I would also call that a fusion between Trey and Garcia in attempt to pay tribute to the man and the band. Changing the pickups and speakers makes a big difference. Its a much more open, less pressured (compressed and singing) tone. Better for that laid-back meandering Jerry is known for, but not as good for Trey's powerful rock licks (or "The Note"). I thought the tone was good, but I prefer either Trey's normal tone or Garcia's tone later in his career. I thought Weir sounded great though! That crisp strat tone that would make your ears bleed if you sat right in front of the speaker sits perfectly in the mix; pretty scooped while Trey was much warmer sounding, filling in that gap.
I also enjoyed the panning. Completely opposite panning scheme in Dead recordings compared to Phish recordings! Trey's guitar was always made to sound huge. On Junta, his tracks were duplicated and delayed on one side. Eventually, he used two mics on the same speaker hard panned, and certain chords were accented with double-tracking (they blend really well - can be hard to hear!). Even live, Trey used the two mics for a wider sound and usually one panned left, one right, but equal in volume, which leaves the listener perceiving Trey's sound as wide, but centered. Around 2011, while still micingt his amp with two mics, Trey was panned slightly to one side and Page to the other. This was a less full sound, but more clarity and separation between the instruments; you could hear how Trey was listening to Page through his solos and picking up Page's phrasing - something Weir and Garcia were well known to do. The Dead never seemed to focus on a "big" "wide" sound; each instrument was panned to its own space. That is also what I hear in FTW. The only critique I had of that, was I would have considered swapping Trey and Weir's panning position; Trey was pretty far left and Weir was slightly right of center. I kinda like leads to be fairly center-panned, while Weir's rhythm might have sat nicely a little more off center (to leave space between him and Trey), and balanced by keys on the other side.
I can't say I'm a fan of the mix. Seems very heavy on the core four and Trey and the keys seem totally buried.
Its certainly not Phish where Trey's solos were almost as loud of the rest of the band in some live mixes. I didn't feel like Trey was totally buried, but I would definitely agree he was no where near showcased. I thought it was odd that Weir, playing rhythm, was louder than Trey, playing leads, even during a lot of guitar solos. Draws energy away from the tunes too. On the other hand, I did like being able to hear Weir's chord work and how it complemented Trey's phrasing. Some older live Phish tunes with a denser mix, I found it hard to hear Page when trying to listen to how him and Trey were playing off of each other. While I have mixed feelings about the changes in the mix/recordings, around 2011 Trey and Page were panned slightly and it made it easier to hear the instruments separately.
Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on December 15, 2015, 04:47:42 PM
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Quote from: Heady Jam Fan on December 02, 2015, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: No Nice Guy on December 02, 2015, 01:57:26 PM
I have something, blow up my inbox if you want it
I ripped the CD's to my computer and been listening through it a lot, mostly in my car. It sounds pretty good.
Trey does a nice job at not selling out stylistically while still paying respect to Jerry IMO. I can hear both of them in his playing: sometimes an integration, sometimes I hear Trey and other times I find myself forgetting I'm not listening just listening to the Dead.
His tone is also interesting. I would also call that a fusion between Trey and Garcia in attempt to pay tribute to the man and the band. Changing the pickups and speakers makes a big difference. Its a much more open, less pressured (compressed and singing) tone. Better for that laid-back meandering Jerry is known for, but not as good for Trey's powerful rock licks (or "The Note"). I thought the tone was good, but I prefer either Trey's normal tone or Garcia's tone later in his career. I thought Weir sounded great though! That crisp strat tone that would make your ears bleed if you sat right in front of the speaker sits perfectly in the mix; pretty scooped while Trey was much warmer sounding, filling in that gap.
I also enjoyed the panning. Completely opposite panning scheme in Dead recordings compared to Phish recordings! Trey's guitar was always made to sound huge. On Junta, his tracks were duplicated and delayed on one side. Eventually, he used two mics on the same speaker hard panned, and certain chords were accented with double-tracking (they blend really well - can be hard to hear!). Even live, Trey used the two mics for a wider sound and usually one panned left, one right, but equal in volume, which leaves the listener perceiving Trey's sound as wide, but centered. Around 2011, while still micingt his amp with two mics, Trey was panned slightly to one side and Page to the other. This was a less full sound, but more clarity and separation between the instruments; you could hear how Trey was listening to Page through his solos and picking up Page's phrasing - something Weir and Garcia were well known to do. The Dead never seemed to focus on a "big" "wide" sound; each instrument was panned to its own space. That is also what I hear in FTW. The only critique I had of that, was I would have considered swapping Trey and Weir's panning position; Trey was pretty far left and Weir was slightly right of center. I kinda like leads to be fairly center-panned, while Weir's rhythm might have sat nicely a little more off center (to leave space between him and Trey), and balanced by keys on the other side.
I can't say I'm a fan of the mix. Seems very heavy on the core four and Trey and the keys seem totally buried.
Its certainly not Phish where Trey's solos were almost as loud of the rest of the band in some live mixes. I didn't feel like Trey was totally buried, but I would definitely agree he was no where near showcased. I thought it was odd that Weir, playing rhythm, was louder than Trey, playing leads, even during a lot of guitar solos. Draws energy away from the tunes too. On the other hand, I did like being able to hear Weir's chord work and how it complemented Trey's phrasing. Some older live Phish tunes with a denser mix, I found it hard to hear Page when trying to listen to how him and Trey were playing off of each other. While I have mixed feelings about the changes in the mix/recordings, around 2011 Trey and Page were panned slightly and it made it easier to hear the instruments separately.
Yeah those early sbds have less Page because of the smaller room I think. The sbd mix didn't reflect the mix in the room at all. My buddy recorded many of the Colorado shows from 90-92. So I was there and then heard the sbds on the way home or after-partying.