From www.mike-gordon.com
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This is an old diagram from www.phish.net
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well thats not complicated at all
Quote from: \"posternutbag\"well thats not complicated at all
:lol:
Nuthin' to it. Bunch a wires, boxes, electro-gadget-woohaa's and *poof*.....dirty funkdafied bass a la mode.
You know that top pic looks like a science expirement or some weird molecular structure for some bad ass virus or something. Friggin' Gordon. On a side note (I always good for side notes, you know)....was watching a vid last night and Gordon officially has some of the most heinous outfits I've ever seen. I mean...seriously? Green jeans with a lime-green tee with the arms cutoff? With the jeans tucked into his white high tops - for good measure, of course. You've got to be kidding me. My friend made a comment that perhaps the rest of the boys just egg him on to wear ridiculous outfits to see if he'll actually do it, and not to dissapoint or "lose" the wager, if it were, he abides and dresses as geeky as humanly possible. Assuming it is a bet, I wonder what he wins? Maybe first glass of the fresh mushroom tea in the green room? Equally bad was Trey's pea soup colored velvet shirt he wore the first day....the thing looked like he took drapes off a house circa 1960 and made it into a shirt. Why, I have no idea, but it was pretty friggin' ugly. That thing should be turned into a shammy to wipe up vomit or something.
I have yet to see anything on the Clifford Ball DVD but rumors of a Feb 24th Release. Nothing on Phish Dry Goods or Amazon. I want proof now that this is spreading.
i hope they are releasing the clifford ball. That was by far my favorite phish festival to attend.
What is the DVD that was mentioned above my post? Something to do with weird outfits and kick ass footage? That sounds like Clifford Ball. I have seen the Youtube vids and hope that its better then the 3 part documentary, but ill gladly watch the concert. Runaway Jim kicks ass.
http://www.phish.com/viewers/index.php?ID=84&start=10&type=photo
This is a picture from Clifford Ball from the Clifford Ball gallaries on www.phish.com
http://drygoods.phish.com/Dept.aspx?cp=773_15815 (http://drygoods.phish.com/Dept.aspx?cp=773_15815)
Okokokok.....you got me Brian27.
I pre-ordered the DVD set this afternoon so its all good. Thanks for the info on the outfits lol.
Pre-fender amp, 1996, is totally meh.
Something about those Boogie heads and the CAE 3 channel Pre-amp gives me those chills i long for every time. I think the Fender Amps are nice but they have way 2 much noise when you turn them up and Trey never has used a noise reducer to my knowledge.
Noisy as in post-hiatus, non-compressed Fender amp tone, or are you rather suggesting that the whole Fender amp era, compressed ('97-'00) and non-compressed, is somehow too noisy, in your opinion?
the ISO-1's cut out any noise that Trey did get in his rig.
By "noise," I assume he meant the constant feedback swells and edgy grind of circa '99-'04. Am I wrong, new guy? That is what you meant, right?
Fender amps are known for their clean tone and that is something i love about trey's Fender amps but the overdrive doesnt sound as punchy or as blistering as it did back in the day. i also dont like Combo's used with 4x12 speaker cabs. A perfect set up with a 4x12 is with an Amp Head. A pre-amp or amp head with custom built 2x12 speaker cabs is what Trey used to give me those chills
I agree with you on all that, especially the blistering aspect of the mesa rig--case in point: the trademark, opening chug of a '93 chalkdust is more satisfying than the same riffs played from '97 on. But the virtue of the fender is, finally, an expansion of the tonal possibilities, because it's a "warmer"--one hesitates to use that word, for obvious reasons--or, better, unpredictable quality that the Fender amp creates a place for, where I would argue, there couldn't have been before, when trey used infinitely more sophisticated equipment than what he would use later.
Check out the best example, I think, of what I'm talking about: if it means biting the financial bullet and getting the .flac files for 12_30_97 (best PYITE ever...not IMO but fact) then do it. There's no mini 4x12 here, just (arguably) stock fender speaker, single and internally mounted inside its 30 year old "deluxe reverb" cab.
No 2x12 cabs on sides of Rack?
They were always on stage and the old gear was always turned on but--and I've spoken to paul languedoc directly on this--the only amp/speaker combination you hear from 10/97 until beginning of post-hiatus is the deluxe reverb on the floor, tilted back against the effects rack.
Thats awesome.
Quote from: cactuskeeb on January 10, 2009, 10:52:01 AM
They were always on stage and the old gear was always turned on but--and I've spoken to paul languedoc directly on this--the only amp/speaker combination you hear from 10/97 until beginning of post-hiatus is the deluxe reverb on the floor, tilted back against the effects rack.
Maybe I'm mis-reading this, but all this talk has gotten me a lil' confused....what about the Bruno cab? Are you saying that's not even being used? Why then is it mic'd? Surely I'm just missing something here but if you clean it up for me, much obliged.
Trey started using the Bruno cab round 2000 im guessing. We were discussing the 12-30-97 PYITE where Trey was using nothing but the Fender amp sound rather then the CAE 3 channel Pre-Amp with his 2x12 custom cabs. Heres a new discussion maybe. At Bonnaroo 2002 Trey used his mini leslie 900 and he used a speaker cab for it. He also used that Leslie 900 from im guessing 95-99 with phish. Could his leslie sound be coming out of his 2nd fender or the custom built 2x12 cabs?
Quote from: Brian27 on January 13, 2009, 11:10:26 AM
Trey started using the Bruno cab round 2000 im guessing. We were discussing the 12-30-97 PYITE where Trey was using nothing but the Fender amp sound rather then the CAE 3 channel Pre-Amp with his 2x12 custom cabs.
Yes, that's correct.
Quote from: Brian27 on January 13, 2009, 11:10:26 AM
Heres a new discussion maybe. At Bonnaroo 2002 Trey used his mini leslie 900 and he used a speaker cab for it. He also used that Leslie 900 from im guessing 95-99 with phish. Could his leslie sound be coming out of his 2nd fender or the custom built 2x12 cabs?
The mini Leslie has its own speaker(s), which is primarily an upper rotor horn. I believe that when it was turned on, it was blended with the Fender sound, so that the sound had enough bottom, which it would have lacked had the leslie been used by itself. In terms of how the sound was captured, there were two Sennheiser mics behind the unit that captured the spinning horns' sound. Here's a picture of the device as it was originally sold, that is, with a bottom, stationary unit as well:
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Out of all the Guitar rigs i have studied, Trey's has always been my fav. From the use of Mesa Boogie heads to the return of the Compressor
same
Does anyone know what kind of EQ mike had for his tone around 97-98?
The noise in Treys 65 deluxe was the by product of the the tubes being run ultra, ultra hot. By hot I mean high plate voltage on the 6v6s, as well as the preamp gain structure. Combined they give an extremely high.....and by most accounts unacceptably unpleasant noise floor. This itself creates quite a bit of tube compression wether clean or dirty.......not a trick I advise to anyone. I immediately changed lowered the preamp gain structure in the clone I have as it made the amp sound profoundly better. B.B. King s the only other guitarist I have been up close with who was willing to generate that much ambient noise. Gating is done at FOH. Its so loud it would literall obscure vocals and prevent quiet passages if not gated in the house.
Quote from: strangedesign on January 09, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
the ISO-1's cut out any noise that Trey did get in his rig.
Iso-1s are solely and specifically for electrical isolation. I.e. noise from various power sources. These do not affect the amplifier, nor can they cut or reduce noise floor from the individual units themselves...just their power sources. By keeping all the power sources transformer isolated, you do not get the ground loops and other ambient noise from the indiviual power sources in the rack, or from two pedals power sources interacting and creating ghost noise.
Quote from: Passion Presents on January 07, 2010, 08:12:28 PM
The noise in Treys 65 deluxe was the by product of the the tubes being run ultra, ultra hot. By hot I mean high plate voltage on the 6v6s, as well as the preamp gain structure. Combined they give an extremely high.....and by most accounts unacceptably unpleasant noise floor. This itself creates quite a bit of tube compression wether clean or dirty.......not a trick I advise to anyone. I immediately changed lowered the preamp gain structure in the clone I have as it made the amp sound profoundly better. B.B. King s the only other guitarist I have been up close with who was willing to generate that much ambient noise. Gating is done at FOH. Its so loud it would literall obscure vocals and prevent quiet passages if not gated in the house.
Interesting. Thanks!
Quote from: Passion Presents on January 07, 2010, 08:12:28 PM
The noise in Treys 65 deluxe was the by product of the the tubes being run ultra, ultra hot. By hot I mean high plate voltage on the 6v6s, as well as the preamp gain structure. Combined they give an extremely high.....and by most accounts unacceptably unpleasant noise floor. This itself creates quite a bit of tube compression wether clean or dirty.......not a trick I advise to anyone. I immediately changed lowered the preamp gain structure in the clone I have as it made the amp sound profoundly better.
Something doesn't sound right here. When you increase plate voltage you actually increase headroom, increase dynamics, decrease distortion and decrease compression.
Now if you you are talking about increasing the grid bias of the output tubes, then I can somewhat agree with this scenario but you said plate voltage. Please clarify if you ever read this:)
After viewing a few vids from 12/31/11 Mike Gordon was using a Moog Taurus 3 in his rig. You can see it during this nice Jibbo.
http://youtu.be/7pDCMQrPNoI
I saw that and was wondering what it was. I figured it was a Moog from it's design. Good work!
Quote from: Walker done done on January 02, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
I saw that and was wondering what it was. I figured it was a Moog from it's design. Good work!
Such a weird/awesome pedal/floorboard synth thingy. It really shines on the beginning of Harry Hoods from this past-summer, giving the tune that extra crunchy feel.