Treys use of basic reverb and delay for clean/solo sounds

[raisingfreen]

So basically I am wondering (not about Treys use of long delays/loops etc) but general clean sound, soloing sound chording sounds and what settings he may be using for either delay reverb or both. Seems to me that he does not use either the reverb of vibrato on his amp as they are bypassed or disengaged/modded correct?

Does he use a slight delay/reverb in his clean basic sound or does the giant stadiums supply all the openness/fullness he needs? Sounds to me there is a slight echo or delay and possible slight reverb to his sound but is hard to detect and is not mentioned outside of his use of delay for looping effects.

What would be a basic clean delay sound/setting that captures the tone along with the stuff we already use (TS9>Ross etc...)

I use an RV-3 at the end of my chain at like 250-350ms or so but the feedback and mix are barely on. If I mix in too much its just not natural sounding and or repeats too much. One of the settings mentioned for Treys DM2000 was 651ms, but is that what he is using for basic cleans and basic solos or is that just to capture/delay the loop sounds?

If this has been discussed, I could not find it. Just point me in the right direction.

[Brian27]

Trey uses 3 reverb rack mounts in his rig however he doesnt use but 1 of them. I believe he uses a reverse reverb on solos. To help you out more check out his rig info on this website and of course check out http://www.phish.net/faq/ for other info. The compressor is coming back after a long dismissal from his rig. His ts9's are analog man mods. Anything else just ask.

[Brian27]

The Ibanez DM2000 is used for loops mainly. The Boomerang he uses can be used for delays such as the reverse delay he uses on first tube. Also on Heavy things trey uses the boomerang with a footswitch labled once to produce the continuous note you hear over and over again. My fav rig has been trey's and i study it and look up info on it almost everyday. I would do anything to plug my guitar into his rig and jam.

[raisingfreen]

Ok, Thanks.
But... My question is does he use basic delay (maybe a short delay) for his overall clean rhythm sound? Or does he just have the engineer add a little verb from the board after the fact. Those big venues probably don't require much as they echo nice on their own. I read once about how he can use the size of the room to his advantage. This is just something I had not seen discussed before. I know the looping, funk sirens, whammy, reverse and long delay stuff, compressor has been mentioned. I am just more interested in his clean tone or slightly overdriven rhythm tone. Seems like it has something else too it, however slight, almost like like a glass wave on top of the overall sound.

So basically in your opinion when he isn't using the DM2000 or reverse reverb (for solos) on his clean tone, then he is pretty much coming through with no verb or slight delay at all?

[raisingfreen]

Poster,
Did you say he/Trey plays a "Twin Reverb" I thought it was a Deluxe Reverb. Anywhoo. This has been the hardest question to get answered. If his amp is modded to have mid boost and Vibrato circuit is not used then does he use a reverb/short delay for clean rhythm sound?

Maybe I am asking the question wrong. It just seems to me that on some of the basic rhythm or clean solos there is a slight bit of echo/delay in the sound but that may just be the sound of the venue reverberating back.

I just found it hard to believe that Trey would use no reverb or slight delay to round out the tone a bit (again not speaking of the long delays or loop effects). Playing through the Deluxe with no reverb added at all sounds a bit lifeless.

[Stiles12]

Im not totally sure but i still think the reverb in his amp is going. as I remeber reading carruth ripped out the vibrato circuit and replaced it with a mid-range boost but I dont remeber him disengaging the reverb circuit.
Also his guitar being a small full hollow probably adds a lot more resonance to his tone than you could imagine. he gets alot of feedback becuase the sound bounces off the back side of the pickups which probably would give it reverb and a really short delay type sound. I cant imagine a lot of reverb sounds come from the DM only because rarely have I ever seen him turn around and hold the button to decrease the MS on the delay, he uses the DM in long sequences and in the mid to late 90's used it for the hold function on songs like free.

Thats just what i am thinking, I could imagine that the board provides a reverb for the whole band but trey definitly has a reverb that he uses beyond the microverb in his rack.

[raisingfreen]

Thanks for your gracious reply and candor. I have a nice deluxe reverb with spring reverb and was just asking a simple question. I started the thread so, no need to get angry with the other guys that attempted to answer. I felt it was a worthy question. Sorry for the wasted thread space. Try to go easy on us newbies (to the forum).

BTW, I don't think it is actually answered yet. I would love anyones opinions on that matter regardless.

[raisingfreen]

Stiles,
Thanks for your post. I re-read your post a couple times and it really makes a lot of sense. Great answer and good insight. Thanks again. It is appreciated.

[cactuskeeb]

For the most part, especially in the late(r) years of Phish, Trey doesn't use reverb.  The exceptions are his microverb (see http://www.strangedesign.org/rigs/details.php?artistID=3&equipmentID=12), and the Victoria Amps reverb unit he (sometimes) used in TAB.  However, in the early years of Phish, the microverb is on all the time. 

[raisingfreen]

Cactus/Stiles,
Thanks again. Now how to put reverb in both channels of my deluxe? I like to use both channels or switch channels (sometimes). The reverb on the amp (channel 2) is by far better than on my RV-3, but channel 1 on the deluxe sounds better to me (personal preference I guess) but has no verb, forcing me to use the RV-3 just a tiny bit.

I always thought that was odd that trey used both/switched channels on his deluxe (via that little AB box) as the reverb is only on one side.

Thanks.

[strangedesign]

I have no idea if or what reverb trey is using. If he is using reverb i'm sure it's from his amp. I have found my self not using any these days. He should get plenty of natural reverb playing the bigger rooms as he does.

[GDCSH-1]

raisingfreen, as for reverb I really believe it is based on the venue hes playing at, listen to this, go to the solo it starts at 4:12, or take a puff and listen to the whole song, you'l like this sound, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJlVRCBrZZE , theirs tons of natural reverb but if you listen closely theirs a hint of reverb coming from his amp maybe a little delay not sure, I love that solo.  Or this little blues jam with Warren Haynes, It sounds like hes plugged right into the amp, no effects, plugged into the reverb channel with reverb on like 3 - 4, and this is deff. the spring reverb from the deluxe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wFs91qJaY , My best suggestion is to really listen to different versions of songs and trey's sound, trey approaches solos different everytime, but he does have that staple clean tone or jazz tone, which i think you may be talking about, like the beginning of a lot of reba solos, it really seems like guitar>amp(reverb channel) no effects, or guitar>comp>amp, then as he builds a solo he'l turn on a tube screamer and gradually turn the volume up on his guitar. I don't know but that is my interpretation, but his guitar, and original deluxes are the main ingredient. 

[raisingfreen]

GDCSH-1,
Thanks for this reply. Glad someone else noticed that subtlety. To me it was important to learn the difference between large venue room reverb and amp based reverb. Even how in larger venues you may hear what appears to be delay when in fact its just the room. I know this is most likely common knowledge but thats fine, I am just learning new things.

Thanks again and for mentioning the video clip.