You Enjoy Myself

Happyorange27 · December 02, 2011, 01:48:20 PM

Quote from: Walker done done on December 01, 2011, 06:07:01 PM
Dammit this song is a pain in the ass to learn. That is all.

Makes me appreciate how Phish (Trey) writes, learns, performs and repeats these songs with precision.

manicstarseed · December 02, 2011, 03:49:52 PM

Agreed. I'm not really past learning 2 or 3 arpeggios.

dabomb · December 06, 2011, 03:43:25 PM

A lot of the arpeggios repeat themselves. If you get past the first 3-4 shapes, you have the foundation for most of the rest. With that said - I have to sweep pick the arpeggios. I am not even close to being able to alternate pick them properly. I understand the merit of the alternate pick - it's just too hard!

manicstarseed · December 09, 2011, 11:09:48 AM

If it were shape to shape that's one thing but its shape transition shape and for me I need ti sink my teeth into the transitions because its where I go dumb on a dime.

dabomb · December 10, 2011, 07:48:28 PM

If you want to learn YEM, my best advice is to first play through the section using just the chords. Make sure you are using the chord shape that the arpeggios are being built from. Once you memorize the chord progression, using the proper chord shapes, it won't take too long to get the arpeggios under your fingers since your fingers are already in the right spot. It is just a matter of which direction to sweep.

manicstarseed · December 11, 2011, 07:15:29 PM

Quote from: dabomb on December 10, 2011, 07:48:28 PM
If you want to learn YEM, my best advice is to first play through the section using just the chords. Make sure you are using the chord shape that the arpeggios are being built from. Once you memorize the chord progression, using the proper chord shapes, it won't take too long to get the arpeggios under your fingers since your fingers are already in the right spot. It is just a matter of which direction to sweep.

Thank you! That's some sound advice. I will attempt to skin the cat that way and see how it sounds.

the_great_lemon · December 12, 2011, 09:06:36 PM

dabomb mentioned above that there are some benefits to using alternate picking and not sweep picking...What would be the benefits of using alternate picking vs. sweep picking? Would it improve tone? Consistency between notes?

Happyorange27 · December 12, 2011, 09:19:49 PM

I think sweep picking just becomes necessary after the tempo reaches a certain point. You have to have the technique down so you sweep each note in the correct subdivision. Alternate picking can be better for accurate subdivision but you can't do it too fast.

It's like when you sing high notes. When do you go falseto? You loose power but gain pitches.

dabomb · December 12, 2011, 09:31:23 PM

The major benefit of alternate picking is rhythmic - so yes, consistent length between notes and duration of each note. to my ears, a sweep-pick also lacks the attack of a note off a pick change-of-direction. Then there is muting. You really have to pay attention to good muting on a sweep or the notes just sound like a chords strummed slowly.