New Panning for Trey and Page

[Heady Jam Fan]

Have you guys noticed that on some tunes Trey is panned a bit (or a lot) to the right and Page is more to the left?

What do you think?

I certainly love the fat, wide thing from post-Junta (until Joy I think; Trey is way off to the right on the song Ocelot for example - I can't remember earlier recordings where he is panned off) recordings that requires to the mics, one 4in further from than amp than the other.

I didn't really like the stereo image from Junta as much where there is a short delay between duplicated tracks, hard panned (at least thats how it sounds to me).

However, I also really like when bands leave a lot of space between instruments - there is more separation and clarity. Some GD recordings are like this - some many different sounds that have their own little space across the stereo pan. Pretty much opposite of the wide sound Trey used to usually have.

It seems like in 2011 live recordings, they started panning Page and Trey a bit.

[sour d]

Are you noticing this at shows or on live releases? There is mixing going on before they release them.

[Heady Jam Fan]

Are you noticing this at shows or on live releases? There is mixing going on before they release them.

Live releases - just pointing out that they decided to mix differently than they did for the majority of Phish's existence.

[fulltone1989]

Sbds are nice.

[Happyorange27]

I listened to the Dicks show and noticed the panning. I like it since its representative if the stage setup image. Trey and Page share the rhythm frequencies so its only fair and balanced that they are panned. Too much Trey can bury Page. But I think on the SBD they center Treys solos. Anyway it's good.

Also Trey is sound much more direct to his amp, not using the digcrap loop as much. This means he is not leaving the whammy on all the time. This lets his tone sound more rounded and not so sharp. Also the tone is a bit more muddy and his amp is overdriven more. Sounds much closer to my own setup through my easily overdriven Blues Jr. which gets muddy when I use the heavy screamer. Just my observation.

[Heady Jam Fan]

I listened to the Dicks show and noticed the panning. I like it since its representative if the stage setup image. Trey and Page share the rhythm frequencies so its only fair and balanced that they are panned. Too much Trey can bury Page. But I think on the SBD they center Treys solos. Anyway it's good.

Also Trey is sound much more direct to his amp, not using the digcrap loop as much. This means he is not leaving the whammy on all the time. This lets his tone sound more rounded and not so sharp. Also the tone is a bit more muddy and his amp is overdriven more. Sounds much closer to my own setup through my easily overdriven Blues Jr. which gets muddy when I use the heavy screamer. Just my observation.

Yep - I agree with this. In Trey's rig video clips he says how he never has to think of a phrase when soloing if he is listening to Page and Gordon - he just borrows from them, and I think that makes the music seam together better (while the dead sometimes sound like their in their own world, which is also cool sometimes). So I try to listen for when they borrow phrases from each other and how those phrases get tossed around between them and varied over time. I think listening that way is cool, but will also make me a better player.