greetings

[jsegge0]

i've been a guest to this site for too long, and decided to jump in head first.  i thought i would introduce myself by describing my rig.

i started with just a tubescreamer (ts-808) and a boss compressor.  i must admit, i was obsessed with the versatility of trey's setup, and started purchasing effects after effects.  after some thought, (and many return/echanges at the local music store), i currently have the following:

fulltone clyde deluxe>ts-808>ts-808>boss octave>boss tremolo>dunlop univibe>boss dd-7 (modulate)>boss rc-50xl>fender '65 reverb

as always, i'm open to suggestions (and compliments, however few may exist).  in the next few months, i plan on purchasing a ground control unit (bradshaw/gcx).  also looking into purchasing a reverb tank (i love to blend long jams with a surf-feel), whammy, boomerang to replace the boss loop station, and an additional boss dd-7 (utilize the hold function).  the ground control will help to minimize the tap-dancing, and clean up my floorspace.

any suggestions?

[ColForbin]

Greetings to you sir!

Just a couple questions:

1)  What is the Fulltone clyde deluxe like?  Comparable/substandard/better/pretty much the same as a crybaby gcb95?

2)  Is that the boss pedal board?

The Whammy and Boomerang come with their own adapter just so you know, but I don't have my rig in front of me and forget the details as far as voltage and whatnot goes.

[jsegge0]

thanks for the post!

the fulltone is my second wah pedal.  i originally had a vox, but the switch crapped out on me a year or so ago.  i tried the gcb95, but ultimately shelled out an extra $150 on the fulltone.  it has a 3-way switch to select between the old colorsound wahs (deeper bass response), the classic '60's vox clyde mccoy, and a 'shaft' setting to capture the old 70's funk and b-movie soundtracks (my choice).  the gain control and trimmer inside the box is nice to 'fine-tune' the wah settings.  imo definitely a solid wah pedal, then again, i've never experienced a RMC.  engaging both tube screamers with the wah can lead to unwanted sound (like standing in a windtunnel).  i assume overdriving sound to that degree will do that.

the pedalboard was a gift for christmas last year - not sure of the brand, but not a boss.  i thought i would never need a board to hold more than a few pedals; glad i didnt return it.

in the future, i hope this board will contain my 'looped' effects minus the boomerang.  ill have to construct or purchase a smaller board for the wah>ts-808>ts-808, and the tuner.

are the ts-808/ts-9 mods worth it?  some friends i know have advised me against it, saying the 808's are warm enough.  what is your opinion of the whammy?  is the whammy II that much better than the IV?  i've wondered if i could control a few settings (without bending over and adjusting the settings on the IV) with the midi controls on the ground control unit, and still use the other controls to bypass unused effects.

[ColForbin]

That fulltone sounds really interesting.  My buddy (who's one smokin guitar player) has the RMC3 wah and truthfully, I like my modded GCB95 better.  I used his wah for a little while to figure out if I liked it enough to switch, but decided against it.  It just sounds more in your face to my ears, to each his own I guess. 

Now as far as the mods on the ts808/ts9 go, I know a lot of guys like it, but I was told the same thing by a buddy who had them done.  He told me that Mike (I think that's his name) from Analogman said that for the amount of work that went into them, there wasn't a whole lot of difference.  Personally I like the way my TS-9's sound, and I'm not sure the mods are worth it, although there is probably some guys kicking around on this board that would severely disagree.

There is a whammy wheel that you can get that fits over the switch so you don't have to bend down, if that interests you. 

[Stiles12]

Greetings,
I have the ground control unit and i will say it will be the biggest pain in the ass to run the whammy 4 through the gcx midi functions. you would have to select 1-4 and if it wasnt in those 4 you would have to bank up untill you get the preset that you want. the midi controls on the GCX are great to run effect processors or amps.
For instance, I use the Midi section on my Gcx to run my M-one Xl. the single buttons(1-8) are running all my rack gear and three isolated loops. the buttons on the bottom 1 - 4 are running the amount of preset reverb that I am using. for instance the further I bank up and select a number the stronger the reverb gets. 1 - 1 is the lightest most transparent reverb and 10 - 4 is the hardest thick ambient reverb I would consider using whil playing.
I use it this way now becuase I love the simplicity of it, I used to use it to run my amps, I had a rackmount randall amp, and I used each bottom button to run each of the four isolated amps, to give me a clean, boost, crunchy, and lead amps right at the touch of my feet.

Whammy 2 is a great whammy if you find a good one online, the whammy 4 didnt sound as good as the whammy II in my opinion. I sold my whammy II becuase i never used it, I dont make those trippy sounds, when I play with people, and its really hard to find time to throw them in and make them musical, I was only using to drop octaves to play what sounded liek a bass guitar so when  i overdubed i could add some bass notes in. Posternutbag could probably tell you much more about the whammy II considering I sold mine to him.

If you have any questions on how I have my GCX wired let me know or just PM me

[Poster]

sorry for the delay in my reply but as some of you know iam still in the haze of moving into my first house and getting online has been a bitch until about today. -----------SO WELCOME! your rig looks like mine did many years ago. In fact, it looks almost exactly like mine did! I would say go get a boomerang + but you need to get yourself a true bypass looper to cleanup the tone suck of your boss pedals and the rang. If you want a whammy I would say go spend oodles of cash on a whammy II from a collector, BUT again, the whammy is pretty much crap unless used in conjunction with combos of other pedals (although, with it you wouldnt need that boss octave pedal for anything). And even then it takes a long time to be any good at fooling with it... so id put that dead last on your spending spree, as far as your overdrives are concerned, if would suggest using some sort of hotplate or compressor as those screamers will get you uninvited from about any decent venue in the country. The key is getting that tube breakup at the low volume when playing for people (again I dunno if you gig er what) but typically the first big problems with getting into a rig like this is volume! And Ive seen more than my fair share of cats scaring people away with the double overdrives. Next I would tell you to go get all of your stuff modded by gary at GARMOPAT mods as he'll give you a hellava deal and does some of the best work in the world. If you thought you liked your screamers now you might shit yourself when you get them back from him ;0)  MOST IMPORTANTLY remember that guys like Trey have some of the best techs in the world at their disposal. So trying to make your gear sound just like his or jeff becks or whatever is pretty much like chasing your own tail for ridiculous amounts of money and even then youve got to remember that without the chops all that gadgetry is about as valuable as coal. GOOD LUCK YOUR IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO START YOUR QUEST FOR THE ULTIMATE TONE!



(PS that univibe is a piece of shit, open it up and the glue and mickey mouse wiring with make you put that thing up on ebay so fast your computer might melt. Go get a fulltone deja vibe they are fucking sick)

[jsegge0]

thanks everyone for the responses!

since my last post, i received a whammy IV (one less thing on my list!).  i've toyed around with it a bit; it's definitely a pain in the ass to move the little effects knob.  i also purchased another dd-7 and have been switching between the modulate and reverse functions, while the original uses the hold function.  slowly, my rig is taking shape.

i plan on replacing the ts-2 tremolo with a fulltone supa-trem, and taking posternutbag's advice, and buying the fulltone dejavibe.  (btw, the univile and expression pedal will be on ebay *VERY* soon!)  is there any other advantage to the dejavibe2 besides the expression pedal?  i saw one for around $300 on sweetwater, and after the fiasco with a backordered pedal for my dad, they may cut me a deal on both. (i ordered the visualsound v2 h2o last christmas, i just received it about 2 weeks ago.)

so a few more questions.

is there an alternative to the hard trucker cables?  a few friends of mine said the fulltone cables were pretty good, much better than monster cables and george l's.

as far as a 'switcher', if i can stomach the fact i have to use my big toe to switch the whammy IV, would the more reasonable choice be to buy a switcher from loop-master?  i could have a tuner out, and isolate pedals to help with tone.  if i send my ts-808's to gary, the only things not bypassed would be the loops station/boomerany, whammy, and the two delays (unless he can bypass these). 

i looked at the gcx; but without any rack mounted effects, it seems like it would be a waste, and the savings can help cover some future expenses (tubes for my amp, a new hot-plate, and the boomerang+) and wood for my custom guitar i plan on building this fall.

thanks guys, once i get all this setup, i'll post a new pic.

[Poster]

i like george l cables. go with the thicker .225 cables for everything. anyway, dont get the deja vibe 2 and you bought the wrong whammy! just the mini deja vibe with the rate knob. i told you buy the whammy last as you need a whammy 2 and they are expensive... anyway, i wouldnt use most of your pedals without a true bypass looper to clean up your signal.

[Stiles12]

if you dont have any rackmount effects dont buy the GCX, If you did it would virtually work as a true bypass looper with nice buffers, which you can get from loop master at a third of the cost.

I know a lot of people use true bypass I do myself, but if you are using long cables in between the effects you will loose a lot of your signal. You can read more about that on Pete Cornish's website.

I also use Geroge L's for all my rack gear and on my pedal board and they sound good to me, but you have to be careful with them, they are soderless and at times if they get jacked around you can get a shitty connection. this isnt the end of the world considering all you have to do is cut another piece of cable but it is still fucking annoying. other than that I think they sound just a good as any other cable I heard. I use Mogami golds to do all my other wiring i think they sound really good too.

[jsegge0]

sorry for my absence.  i've been in the shop building a new pedalboard to house my new effects.  i did break down and buy the fulltone dejavibe (its sick!) and the supatrem (had a bad solder connection, its on its way back to me).  also picked up a 3-loop effects switcher (w/ master bypass and tuner out).

so here's my dilema...

i'm having a hard time placing pedals in loops.  i started with the guitar signal path provided by brian brown (slightly modified).  as of right now, it looks like this:

guitar > fulltone clyde deluxe > ts-808 > ts-808 > loop switcher (1. trem/whammy/sampler  2. digital delay (analog delay)/digital delay (hold)  3. dejavibe > amp

my only issue is the 1st loop is great for background sound/psychedelic, but if i want to play a lead/rhythm over it, and just so happen to want to loop part of the lead/rhythm, anything i record and store with the hold function will also contain the loop played through the sampler.  easy solution, just switch the loops.  i thought of putting the dejavibe and the supatrem after the second tubescreamer (since they're true bypass), but the settings i use for both really lower the guitar volume, and those effects are more of an accent.  i could move both to the third loop.

needless to say, i'm a little overwhelmed.  and i'm probably not making a lot of sense.  if anyone out there has any thoughts, definitely let me know.  i believe with a little help from my friends, and some time to tinker, i'll be left with a pretty decent guitar rig.

[Poster]

move that deja vibe to after your compressor in your effects chain and keep it off the true bypass looper and on your original signal line from your wah.

if you want to get the best spring reverb in the world short of buying one of the vintage tube ones you have only 2 options in my eyes. either the Van Amps Sole Mate OR the Lee Jackson Mr Springgy. Personally, Ive done weeks of research comparing just about every reverb pedal on the market and these are the only two short of a head unit that do that fender blackface triple spring reverb sound perfectly. only catch with the lee jackson one is that its only got 1 knob. both are extremely pricey though at about 300 for the Sole Mate and 199 for the Springgy.

[Stiles12]

I know you all know but I use the M-one XL for all my reverb sounds. You would be amazed at how good it sounds and the types of reverbs you can get out of it. I play through a lexicon PCM 91 in the studio, and I prefer my M-one. It is easier to use and it sounds more natural. Lexicon has always given me a real tin can feel. I like the M-one I bought it new a year ago and plan on keeping it for a while, I also plan on getting a D-two in my rack soon this year as well.

I really have grown to love the TC electronic sounds.


Has anyone played the G system... This guy who owns a studio near me that we have been recording in for the last year has an insane setup, consiting of KOT's a Real Ross Comp, sunface, rmc, a handfull of high end racks, a leslie 122a with a goff trek, like the whole works, just a massive rig that easily costs over 15000, in FX, amps, and Cabs. On the Other side of the studio he has a G-system in the loops are a mojo vibe, a sunface, tube screamer and bbe pre amp, which is running through a pedal type tube hughes and kettner tube pre-amp, and into a VHT power amp.
He says with the G-system setup he dosnt even look at his other rig (other than the leslie). He travels and plays out with the G-system, and he records in the Studio with the G-system. I guess Steve Vai scrapped his whole rig for the G-system, and that dude has always had a lot of effects running in and out.
It definitly looks like the easiest way to play out at bars. all you need is that a power amp and a cab. I am starting to wish that I was smarter before I started this whole quest for the perfect sound.

[Poster]

personally i think steve vai has shit tone. but those reverbs are digital man! jesus christ go play out of a real reverb tank amp like a blackface before using some amp modeling cartoon garbage. the mr springgy and sole mate are the real deal.

[Poster]

BY THE WAY TS9 mods from garmopat make a HUGE WORLD OF FUCKING difference from a stock ts9. No need to do the true bypass mod as the stock buffered bypass works well, but the mods he does are nothing short of amazing. Hell Ive gotten him to mod about a dozen or so of my other pro players ts9s and everybody raves about it. garmopatmods.com for life!

[Stiles12]

I use my Tc-Reverb for everything, I can lightley reverb my guitar, but for the most part my reverb for my guitar is coming from my 65. I use the TC becuase it has a stereo link and XLR balanced outputs and inputs, I can plug my mic into it and then run it to the board which then runs to my PA, and it sounds amazig the best part is I can control it with my feet, so If I need more I just step my feet down, I can control wether I want no reverb on my guitar and all on my voice or vice versa with the step of a button. I can step on my switcher that changes the mic input to the drum mics, or the bass mic, and reverb something else while we are jamming to make some new sounds. For Instance we play speak to me brethe ocasionally and in the beging I will have the TC verb the drum mics, then after the intro I can witch it to control all of my bands vocal mics with with step of a button. It is simple and awesome, reverbs sound real and for the money I couldnt ask for anything more.
I think the reverb of the 65 the reverb of my M-one and the slap back I can get from the Dm 2000 allows me to get the same sounding reverb that you will be able to get with your Mr Springy and more.